Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Uspshoosier]

I know every player has a right to test his draft status -- and I'm cool with that. But I can't help but chuckle when I see that four dudes from an 18-16 team that finished 10th in its conference and lost its only NIT game have declared for the NBA. Cracks me up! 

Kerem Kanter from Wisconsin Green Bay (18-14 and 3rd in horizon) declared for the draft without an agent. Then after season has decided to do a grad transfer to Xavier but still keeps his name in draft without an agent. That cracks me up


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[sirhoosierlot]

59 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

Reading some of these responses about the guys testing the waters makes me want to rip my hair out.

There are some incredibly ignorant and uneducated takes out there. People need to understand what "declaring for the draft" means now with the new rules. Literally every kid with any pro talent (NBA or overseas) should declare and get feedback. The new rules are meant to favor the student athletes and these guys are taking advantage of those rules.


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I don't see how it's any different from a networking and job fair.  Honestly, Archie was probably the person to tell them to go.  I don't see why everybody wants to be a crab in a bucket with these guys following their dreams. 

[drewheck]

What spot is OG predicted? I saw a mock draft and didn't see him in the first round.


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10 -20 in all mocks ive seen besides one

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[HooHooHoo22]

So......All three of these guys heard the word defense and toughness from new coach and now want to go NBA'ing.
Oh my....
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Another person that doesn't understand


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[drewheck]

I thought OG leaving meant IU had one to give?

Justin smith is still signed

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[moyemayhem]

12 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

So......All three of these guys heard the word defense and toughness from new coach and now want to go NBA'ing.
Oh my....
.

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And all they'll hear from NBA scouts is that they need to improve their defense and toughness if they want to get drafted.   Maybe it's the kick in the @$$ they all need and will be a blessing in disguise.

[waitingon6]

It shouldn't crack you up. All four have the talent to possibly make the NBA one day so why not get feedback. It just goes to show how poorly coached these guys were. Honestly I'm shocked that Morgan didn't declare without an agent too just to get the feedback. There is no harm in declaring without an agent to get feedback. You can't get it or workout for teams unless you declare. It's kind of like a practice interview. Anyone would be silly not to do it even if they don't have much of a shot. I hate using Calapari as an example (just threw up in my mouth a bit) but he stated he that he encourages everyone of his kids to declare without an agent to get feedback.


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And Juwan might be the most well rounded, compred to the other four, at this point.

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[tyappleg]

So......All three of these guys heard the word defense and toughness from new coach and now want to go NBA'ing.
Oh my....
.

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And here's one of the worst takes yet. Unreal.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

25 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

So......All three of these guys heard the word defense and toughness from new coach and now want to go NBA'ing.
Oh my....
.

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I heard they were freaked out by how much Archie likes pizza and didn't want anything to do with him. 

[CrossboneIU22]

After watching IU basketball for over 50 yrs, I think I understand way more than you believe.



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Based on your last few posts in this thread it sure as hell doesn't seem like it.


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[NCHoosier]

Since we're discussing this in this thread, here is Chad Ford's draft predictions: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18875530/2017-nba-draft-out

 

In summary:

OG: 15-25

TB: 25-50

JBJR: Possible 2nd Rounder but most likely undrafted

RoJo: Not discussed

 

 

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[tyappleg]

It you're the guy that turns it over 6 times in 25 mins, is 6'10" and gets 6 rebs per game, or can't guard a folding chair, and needs confirmation of this, you might need take off he crimson glasses to look in the basketball mirror.

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It's just like a job interview or career fair. You go through the process, and if you aren't ready? Guess what? You at least get the experience of going through the process, going through workouts with NBA teams, hearing from NBA GM's and scouts, etc.

It's a great opportunity for these guys and they should be taking advantage of it.


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[tyappleg]

After watching IU basketball for over 50 yrs, I think I understand way more than you believe.



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You watching Indiana basketball in the 70's has nothing to do with the new NBA draft process that was introduced 1 year ago.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Yes, TB had a terrible year. TB has major weaknesses. I/WE want him back. He's a skilled player I still hope remains a Hoosier (I think he might not)

If a NBA team falls in love with him, great for both parties.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

Losing all three would hurt next year but it would help balance our classes. I'm surprised to see Bryant so high on the draft board. He'd be a huge risk as a 1st rounder. 

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Losing all three would hurt next year but it would help balance our classes. I'm surprised to see Bryant so high on the draft board. He'd be a huge risk as a 1st rounder. 

I would fire my GM if they used a first on him. A second rounder I could see but still stay and go in a weaker draft. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I would fire my GM if they used a first on him. A second rounder I could see but still stay and go in a weaker draft. 

I get that NBA people like big guys that can shoot, but at this point I don't even know what position TB would be able to play. His feet are too slow to play on the perimeter and he's too weak to play down low. He would get eaten alive on D. I think Crean trying to make him a wing screwed with his game and he never really got comfortable on the court. If he stays he could get back to doing what made him so successful his freshman year. 

[IU Hambone]

For those concerned about some of our guys declaring: 78 underclassmen declared without hiring an agent last season. 6 were drafted, 12 stayed and were undrafted, and 60 returned to school. Just wanted to point out that this is normal.

(Note: stats taken from a Reddit post but the post looks accurate.)

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[HoosierX]

2 hours ago, NCHoosier said:

Since we're discussing this in this thread, here is Chad Ford's draft predictions: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18875530/2017-nba-draft-out

 

In summary:

OG: 15-25

TB: 25-50

JBJR: Possible 2nd Rounder but most likely undrafted

RoJo: Not discussed

 

 

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Interesting that Chad Ford would mention Blackmon as even a possible 2nd rounder.

Frank Mason is projected to go at the end of the 2nd round. There is no chance that Blackmon gets drafted. I honestly don't think he would get drafted if there were 3 rounds.

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

 

I doubt any feedback they get from this will be much different than they received from their prior coach. If not, their prior coach was doing a really poor job.

This whole "test the waters" thing needs to go away. It's not good for college bball.



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The College and Pro game are very different the feedback they get from NBA scouts if first hand info on what they want to see.  Versus feedback from coaches on what they THINK NBA scouts are looking for. 

And if helping college kids make informed choices is bad for the college game then there is a really big problem.  Huge in fact.