TOM CREAN FIRED

[LIHoosier]

15 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

It makes for the 2nd best weekend of college basketball. So for hoops junkies I love it. The matchups from Thursday to Sunday of championship week are awesome


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Conference tournaments should only have the top 8 teams. It makes the conference regular season mean something, can 'eliminate' some of the bubble teams in major conference and allows some smaller conferences to get some glow instead of 12 vs 13 games from the B1G, ACC, or SEC. Silly thought also, it would allow the kids to attend a few more classes.

[Alford Bailey]

18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

It makes for the 2nd best weekend of college basketball. So for hoops junkies I love it. The matchups from Thursday to Sunday of championship week are awesome


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I think I like that week better than the first round of the dance.

[recker222000]

"OG Anunoby’s season-ending knee injury and James Blackmon’s lingering lower leg issue exist as an explanation for Indiana not being the Final Four contender it appeared they’d be in November and early December. They do not excuse the Hoosiers being 5-8 and destined to finish in the bottom half of a Big Ten Conference that is as weak as it’s been in some time."

I'm so glad that people in the media are picking up on this.

That does not include Bob kravitz. I heard him on the radio and he is 110% running with the injury excuses and claims the season is an abberation. He thinks it's laughabe crean should be fired. I find him laughable and a bit delusual or mentally unstable.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I have a feeling our skid will do wonders for the mystique of OG Anunoby.

He wasn't having a great year by any standards (he was having a solid year though) but the coincidence of the timing of our skid will help him immensely in draft rooms.

The opposite effect was Blackmon last season.

The causal relationship isn't cut and dry but it's the most simplistic connection.

OG will still be first round if he decides to leave.


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[JSHoosier]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

"OG Anunoby’s season-ending knee injury and James Blackmon’s lingering lower leg issue exist as an explanation for Indiana not being the Final Four contender it appeared they’d be in November and early December. They do not excuse the Hoosiers being 5-8 and destined to finish in the bottom half of a Big Ten Conference that is as weak as it’s been in some time."

I'm so glad that people in the media are picking up on this.

I think that was a more accurate perspective, but it still glossed over/ignored that this team looked bad before the injuries.

[CrossboneIU22]

It makes for the 2nd best weekend of college basketball. So for hoops junkies I love it. The matchups from Thursday to Sunday of championship week are awesome


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I agree, it's the 2nd best weekend behind the first weekend of the NCAA tourney. I just wish the B1G conference tourney would go to the 16 seed format with the 1st and 2nd seeds getting a bye (i.e. 15th and 16th seeds = bye) and the committee putting no weight on the tourneys except the automatic bid for the winner


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[AZ Hoosier]

41 minutes ago, recker222000 said:

That does not include Bob kravitz. I heard him on the radio and he is 110% running with the injury excuses and claims the season is an abberation. He thinks it's laughabe crean should be fired. I find him laughable and a bit delusual or mentally unstable.

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Yeah... I posted a link to one of his columns earlier this week. Kravitz has always been a shill for Crean... and an overall tool. Alway was, even back in the days when RMK roamed the sideline.

[Hoosierfan2017]

46 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I think that was a more accurate perspective, but it still glossed over/ignored that this team looked bad before the injuries.

That would be nice but this is a good start, imo. The more people we can get to say "wow this team still has a lot of talented players on it even after injuries, there's no way they should be this bad" the better. Once we get their attention I think they'll look more closely at our season and see that things went to crap before anyone got hurt. 

[southernindianahoosier]

I was talking with a coworker today and he brought up a good question: When did you know Tom Crean wasn't the right fit for IU?

He responded that he knew he was not the right coach in Creans third year, when he was at a game and Crean made a bizarre substitution, he and his friend looked at each other and said "oh gosh we made a mistake", then saying at least Mike David knew who his 5 best players were.

I responded that I felt Crean was the wrong fit, not when IU got embarrassed in the S16, but the following year. Crean should have been so mad about the S16 loss that he spent the entire offseason drooling over it and finding ways to beat the **** out of Syracuse the next time they play, instead we played Syracuse in the ACC challenge and got embarrassed again.

When did you know he was the wrong fit?

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier said:

I was talking with a coworker today and he brought up a good question: When did you know Tom Crean wasn't the right fit for IU?

He responded that he knew he was not the right coach in Creans third year, when he was at a game and Crean made a bizarre substitution, he and his friend looked at each other and said "oh gosh we made a mistake", then saying at least Mike David knew who his 5 best players were.

I responded that I felt Crean was the wrong fit, not when IU got embarrassed in the S16, but the following year. Crean should have been so mad about the S16 loss that he spent the entire offseason drooling over it and finding ways to beat the **** out of Syracuse the next time they play, instead we played Syracuse in the ACC challenge and got embarrassed again.

When did you know he was the wrong fit?

His comically inept "preparation" (if that's what you can call it) for the Syracuse zone was a major red flag.  I started getting off the Crean wagon the next season when he somehow managed to miss the NIT with 2 burger boys.  Final straw?  The next season when he couldn't get a single player on the team to make an effort to play something even remotely resembling defense.

[recker222000]

I was talking with a coworker today and he brought up a good question: When did you know Tom Crean wasn't the right fit for IU?

He responded that he knew he was not the right coach in Creans third year, when he was at a game and Crean made a bizarre substitution, he and his friend looked at each other and said "oh gosh we made a mistake", then saying at least Mike David knew who his 5 best players were.

I responded that I felt Crean was the wrong fit, not when IU got embarrassed in the S16, but the following year. Crean should have been so mad about the S16 loss that he spent the entire offseason drooling over it and finding ways to beat the **** out of Syracuse the next time they play, instead we played Syracuse in the ACC challenge and got embarrassed again.

When did you know he was the wrong fit?

The day he has hired because I researched him Marquette years. The Syracuse fiasco made me 100 percent sure.

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[TheWatShot]

The moment I knew Crean wasn't the right fit was when we lost at home to Iowa after being up 10 in the second half, in his third year. We have the ball, down one, 10-12 seconds left and inbounding under our own hoop, and Verdell Jones WALKS THE BALL UP THE FLOOR. Seriously. Iowa was roughly equal to us at the time, and that game marked their second consecutive season sweep over us, with different coaches. 

 

Then there was a game where we actually beat Wisconsin, we had a 4 point lead with a minute to play, he subs in Austin freaking Etherington for Noah Vonleh. Etherington guards the 7 foot Frank Kaminsky. Wisconsin immediately saw the mismatch and jumped. 3-point play, lead cut to one. We won that game in spite of Crean and everyone knew it. Crean later admitted to "over-subbing." Another classic case of him getting so caught up cheerleading and frantically pacing the sideline that he had no clue what was actually happening on the floor. 

[CrossboneIU22]

I was talking with a coworker today and he brought up a good question: When did you know Tom Crean wasn't the right fit for IU?

He responded that he knew he was not the right coach in Creans third year, when he was at a game and Crean made a bizarre substitution, he and his friend looked at each other and said "oh gosh we made a mistake", then saying at least Mike David knew who his 5 best players were.

I responded that I felt Crean was the wrong fit, not when IU got embarrassed in the S16, but the following year. Crean should have been so mad about the S16 loss that he spent the entire offseason drooling over it and finding ways to beat the **** out of Syracuse the next time they play, instead we played Syracuse in the ACC challenge and got embarrassed again.

When did you know he was the wrong fit?

I had reservations the very first year due to substitution problems, playing time, and how he treated players making mistakes. I feel like that team should have won a few more games then they did, maybe 8-11 range but I chalked it all up to a rebuild and because of how hard and passionate we played every game that season. The second season showed the same coaching mistakes mentioned in season 1 and felt we under achieved again in the win totals. Also, we didn't play with the same passion as that first season. But by the third season when I saw no progress in the coaching aspects previously mentioned, I knew. Even though we beat Kentucky and most say that was an over achieving season, his coaching deficiencies were still glaring.

Then what sent me over the edge was the season we lost to Syracuse. We had the most complete, talented team in the country and should have had the #1 overall seed, but Crean let it slip away at the end of the season through terrible coaching and practicing the team too hard. We should have gotten to the final four at the very least and would have more than likely with a good coach.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

In the second-third year range ,BUT then Zeller renewed hoped because I thought, IF, he can recruit instant impact players from here on out we have a chance.

He hasn't recruited enough of those guys and his SUB patterns have been astoundingly awful since day 1. Most of them make zero sense within the context of the game.


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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Not trying to cause chaos but Alex Kennedy just posted an article...I will post link in a minute, but word around the NBA is the Thunder are sending mixed signals with the deadline coming. Says the Thunder have told people they may move on from some assets to help the future. I'm telling ya Russell loves OKC but I think he see's he can't win a title alone. I know they don't trade him at least till the offseason but Billy D may just be an option. It would take 7 or 8 million a year though.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Him mis-utilizing Vonleh was the red flag that he can still fail with talented 5 star phenoms.

Then I thought, we need multiple phenoms.

Lol.


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[kreigh8]

1 minute ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Not trying to cause chaos but Alex Kennedy just posted an article...I will post link in a minute, but word around the NBA is the Thunder are sending mixed signals with the deadline coming. Says the Thunder have told people they may move on from some assets to help the future. I'm telling ya Russell loves OKC but I think he see's he can't win a title alone. I know they don't trade him at least till the offseason but Billy D may just be an option. It would take 7 or 8 million a year though.

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And it would be worth every cent in my eyes

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Hoopshype.com or go to Alex Kennedys twitter and look at article talking about teams at deadline.

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[JSHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Not trying to cause chaos but Alex Kennedy just posted an article...I will post link in a minute, but word around the NBA is the Thunder are sending mixed signals with the deadline coming. Says the Thunder have told people they may move on from some assets to help the future. I'm telling ya Russell loves OKC but I think he see's he can't win a title alone. I know they don't trade him at least till the offseason but Billy D may just be an option. It would take 7 or 8 million a year though.

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Then he gets 7-8 million per.  Simple.

[Hoosier Guy]

29 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier said:

I was talking with a coworker today and he brought up a good question: When did you know Tom Crean wasn't the right fit for IU?

He responded that he knew he was not the right coach in Creans third year, when he was at a game and Crean made a bizarre substitution, he and his friend looked at each other and said "oh gosh we made a mistake", then saying at least Mike David knew who his 5 best players were.

I responded that I felt Crean was the wrong fit, not when IU got embarrassed in the S16, but the following year. Crean should have been so mad about the S16 loss that he spent the entire offseason drooling over it and finding ways to beat the **** out of Syracuse the next time they play, instead we played Syracuse in the ACC challenge and got embarrassed again.

When did you know he was the wrong fit?

I was done after the Syracuse debacle. There was no excuse that team didn't go to at least the Final Four. But they should've won the national championship. I knew IUs fate with Crean after that game. I have wanted him gone ever since that catastrophe of a game