TOM CREAN FIRED

[brandct]

28 minutes ago, indy317219 said:

Naw- just insulate yourself with like minded people that give you a bunch of likes. That probably makes the misery of your IU fandom appear to have a silver lining.

Obviously someone is ok with losing to IPFW, losing to Nebraska at home, and being nothing other than mediocre in the tournament. You can feel like a super fan for supporting a coach that just does not get the job done consistently, and makes the most mind numbing decisions game in and game out. As long as it makes you feel like a better fan thats ok.  

[Hovadipo]

Naw- just insulate yourself with like minded people that give you a bunch of likes. That probably makes the misery of your IU fandom appear to have a silver lining.

If you're going to reasonably discuss why you think Crean should stay, fine.

Don't come to this thread insulting the people you obviously disagree with.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, indy317219 said:

Naw- just insulate yourself with like minded people that give you a bunch of likes. That probably makes the misery of your IU fandom appear to have a silver lining.

What have you seen from Crean that makes you think we're wrong and you're right? Do you think he's capable of making IU a top 5 program, and if so, why? 

Look man, I like to argue. I like to consider other viewpoints and I like when people challenge my thoughts and really make me think about them. But you just came in drive-by style with the insults without giving anything to support your side. The mods (at least I think it was them) created this thread so every other one wouldn't turn into a "fire Tom Crean" thread. So yes, we're like-minded people insulating ourselves because that was the point of the thread. If you think we're wrong then tell us why you think so. 

[mdn82]

Fun 5 seconds last night but doesn't change how we should have never been in that spot. We all saw that coming. My view didn't change.


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[Bowhunter]

I'm not okay with mediocrity but after OG went down last night I just can't think about anything else!

[bigrod]

Every IU fan should be asking the same question, and Fred Glass should, too.  We played passively for the last 10 minutes.  Allowed them to come back from a 13 point deficit to tie it.   When we're up 2 and need a bucket or at least an opportunity from the foul line, we stand around for 27 seconds, and then give it to our 6'11" kid (who already had 4 TO's) 30 feet from the rim.  Seriously; what idiot draws that up?  

We have nothing to fall back on if the secondary break isn't there.   We have no clue how to move without the ball or screen effectively.  This has been a consistent problem for 9 seasons.  Crean hasn't changed and hasn't learned a damned thing.  This brand of basketball is embarrassing.  17 turnovers?  Really?  You're a team that's guard heavy and you get just 15 FT's and make just 9?  And late in the game, you allow a freshman to get the ball....twice?    When we had a real coach, our best FT shooters got the ball in that situation.  Always.  No exceptions.  IU almost never had more TO's than assists, and now we almost always do.   Crean's brand of basketball is slop.   This man makes $3.5 million to play a very elementary brand of basketball that requires almost no thought once a game plan is installed.  What great adjustments does he make?  Is he difficult to prepare for?   Good road win.  Yahoo.  But if people can't see his shortcomings, I have no idea what to say. 

Oh, and our starting point guard had 0 assists, took one shot, and had 4 fouls in 18 minutes.  I love how Crean develops players.  Um....

You know what really bothers me the most about all of that? It's not going to change. Every year since he has been here, the talking heads bring up turnovers and lack of defense like it's a new thing. This is what we are.

Crean is really good at player development. He is really good at giving players the tools to better themselves. Where he fails is getting them to improve as a team. He is basically a really good assistant coach who happens to have a head coaching job. Unfortunately, he isn't a good enough recruiter to get the players he needs to make that kind of system work in college. Quite frankly, I think most IU fans want a coach who really understands the game and its nuances, and makes a deep run every few years.

We know what we have in Crean. It's not changing. This is IU. Now.


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[VO5]

1 hour ago, bigrod said:

You know what really bothers me the most about all of that? It's not going to change. Every year since he has been here, the talking heads bring up turnovers and lack of defense like it's a new thing. This is what we are.

Crean is really good at player development. He is really good at giving players the tools to better themselves. Where he fails is getting them to improve as a team. He is basically a really good assistant coach who happens to have a head coaching job. Unfortunately, he isn't a good enough recruiter to get the players he needs to make that kind of system work in college. Quite frankly, I think most IU fans want a coach who really understands the game and its nuances, and makes a deep run every few years.

We know what we have in Crean. It's not changing. This is IU. Now.


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The truth in this post makes me sad

[Hardwood83]

1 hour ago, bigrod said:

You know what really bothers me the most about all of that? It's not going to change. Every year since he has been here, the talking heads bring up turnovers and lack of defense like it's a new thing. This is what we are.

Crean is really good at player development. He is really good at giving players the tools to better themselves. Where he fails is getting them to improve as a team. He is basically a really good assistant coach who happens to have a head coaching job. Unfortunately, he isn't a good enough recruiter to get the players he needs to make that kind of system work in college. Quite frankly, I think most IU fans want a coach who really understands the game and its nuances, and makes a deep run every few years.

We know what we have in Crean. It's not changing. This is IU. Now.


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I think you are pretty spot on. I like Crean and don't want him fired. From what I've seen he's a hard-working, genuine guy that gives all he's got to his kids and the program and has accomplished some impressive things. That matters. But ultimately results are what define you as a coach and his teams are inconsistent and seem to have a ceiling. At some point I believe he'll get the right mix of talent and make a deep run a la Marquette, but that will be the exception. It sucks. 

[recker222000]

I think you are pretty spot on. I like Crean and don't want him fired. From what I've seen he's a hard-working, genuine guy that gives all he's got to his kids and the program and has accomplished some impressive things. That matters. But ultimately results are what define you as a coach and his teams are inconsistent and seem to have a ceiling. At some point I believe he'll get the right mix of talent and make a deep run a la Marquette, but that will be the exception. It sucks. 

At some point? Well i suppose if you are here 20 years its bound to happen at some point. Its basically a constant roller coaster. One year up two years down and round and round we go. This is the new iu.

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[lemans71]

I think you are pretty spot on. I like Crean and don't want him fired. From what I've seen he's a hard-working, genuine guy that gives all he's got to his kids and the program and has accomplished some impressive things. That matters. But ultimately results are what define you as a coach and his teams are inconsistent and seem to have a ceiling. At some point I believe he'll get the right mix of talent and make a deep run a la Marquette, but that will be the exception. It sucks. 

It's pretty bad when we have to look forward to the right mix of players over the course of maybe a couple decades to get a final four run.....damn that's depressing! Sad thing is I feel we have had that right mix a couple times and it hasn't happened, and I'm not going to be content with just waiting and hoping that just a mix of talent alone will get them there! It takes great coaching and discipline to go along with that mix of talent.

[HoosierAloha]

I think you are pretty spot on. I like Crean and don't want him fired. From what I've seen he's a hard-working, genuine guy that gives all he's got to his kids and the program and has accomplished some impressive things. That matters. But ultimately results are what define you as a coach and his teams are inconsistent and seem to have a ceiling. At some point I believe he'll get the right mix of talent and make a deep run a la Marquette, but that will be the exception. It sucks. 

I think most people believe his has good intentions and wants the best for his players. It just baffles me that he expects his players to develop and change but he's unwilling. The guy boasts about how much teasing he does on leadership and preaches it to his players but he lacks the ability to lead.

[recker222000]

It's pretty bad when we have to look forward to the right mix of players over the course of maybe a couple decades to get a final four run.....damn that's depressing! Sad thing is I feel we have had that right mix a couple times and it hasn't happened, and I'm not going to be content with just waiting and hoping that just a mix of talent alone will get them there! It takes great coaching and discipline to go along with that mix of talent.

His best two teams could not get past the sweet sixeteen and one had zeller. I doubt he ever lands another zeller again.

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[GloryDays]

I think you are pretty spot on. I like Crean and don't want him fired. From what I've seen he's a hard-working, genuine guy that gives all he's got to his kids and the program and has accomplished some impressive things. That matters. But ultimately results are what define you as a coach and his teams are inconsistent and seem to have a ceiling. At some point I believe he'll get the right mix of talent and make a deep run a la Marquette, but that will be the exception. It sucks. 

Hopefully that happens at another school.Hes a good man no doubt but hes getting paid crazy money and is a terrible in game coach.

[Stuhoo]

 

I'll fire up the discussion and throw a name out that would be a fantastic hire someday for IU; one that could stay for 30 years. He's got Indy ties with bball and family, he's a pure defense-oriented guy, he's got assistant experience in the NBA, D-league, and in college, he's currently a D-League head coach, and he is one of the smartest, best squared away basketball individuals and human beings there is...period.

I'm sure this name will get slayed by y'all, because he is currently 26 years old, but as far as I'm concerned, to get a diamond you might have to be open to a guy that's a bit outside the "mid-major stalwart" box. I frequently don't know the answer, but this time I know... that this guy will be a major, MAJOR success as a coach.

Ronald Nored

 

[KingPG21]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'll fire up the discussion and throw a name out that would be a fantastic hire someday for IU; one that could stay for 30 years. He's got Indy ties with bball and family, he's a pure defense-oriented guy, he's got assistant experience in the NBA, D-league, and in college, he's currently a D-League head coach, and he is one of the smartest, best squared away basketball individuals and human beings there is...period.

I'm sure this name will get slayed by y'all, because he is currently 26 years old, but as far as I'm concerned, to get a diamond you might have to be open to a guy that's a bit outside the "mid-major stalwart" box. I frequently don't know the answer, but this time I know... that this guy will be a major, MAJOR success as a coach.

Ronald Nored.

 

Former Butler guy, right? I'd assume he would be all about defense, since that was his thing at Butler. That would be nice to see for a change. 

 

I'm curious how much having connections to the NBA, and having NBA experience means to high school recruits. Like how much does it mean to them that this guy coached at some level in the NBA, so he'd have a better grasp on what it takes to get there and be successful just from having experience there. 

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, KingPG21 said:

Former Butler guy, right? I'd assume he would be all about defense, since that was his thing at Butler. That would be nice to see for a change. 

 

I'm curious how much having connections to the NBA, and having NBA experience means to high school recruits. Like how much does it mean to them that this guy coached at some level in the NBA, so he'd have a better grasp on what it takes to get there and be successful just from having experience there. 

 

Depends who the guys is who is delivering the message. There are only so many truly special, savant-quality leaders and communicators in the game. Once they are proven, they reach the pinnacle of the profession and find their place to cement their legacy. I think that Stevens is doing that in Boston like Popovich has, and you see guys like Roy, Few, Self, and K having done that in the college game.

I want one of those guys at IU, and I have an inkling of a guy who will get to that level with whatever program someday satisfies him as an ultimate destination.

 

 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Last 2 minutes showed lots of creans deficiencies. Yeah, our players made a couple of stupid plays. But WHY wasn't there a play drawn up for Blackmon? Hell give him 3 straight screens. Do something other than give it to our freshman guard. This is where Crean is supposed to be making his money.

That is what made me very mad if you rewatch the play after the first missed free throw by cujo the second time a screen was set for him to come straight to the ball lol. JBJ is literally the only kid on our team I trust at the free throw line with the game on the line. I know you can't always choose who gets the ball but it didn't look like much effort on Creans part either. RoJo & JBJ are the only ones that i trust dribbling the ball in the last minute of a close game lol. I just don't get it.

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[Stuhoo]

You can't say "****" in a post!

Oops

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'll fire up the discussion and throw a name out that would be a fantastic hire someday for IU; one that could stay for 30 years. He's got Indy ties with bball and family, he's a pure defense-oriented guy, he's got assistant experience in the NBA, D-league, and in college, he's currently a D-League head coach, and he is one of the smartest, best squared away basketball individuals and human beings there is...period.

I'm sure this name will get slayed by y'all, because he is currently 26 years old, but as far as I'm concerned, to get a diamond you might have to be open to a guy that's a bit outside the "mid-major stalwart" box. I frequently don't know the answer, but this time I know... that this guy will be a major, MAJOR success as a coach.

Ronald Nored

 

The only concern I would have about his age is whether players would try being buddy-buddy with him because he's so young. If that's not a problem for him then let's go for it. If you know basketball you know basketball, regardless of how old you are. Plus, if he's successful there are very few college jobs that would be a step up that we'd have to worry about losing him to. 

[Josh]

That is what made me very mad if you rewatch the play after the first missed free throw by cujo the second time a screen was set for him to come straight to the ball lol. JBJ is literally the only kid on our team I trust at the free throw line with the game on the line. I know you can't always choose who gets the ball but it didn't look like much effort on Creans part either. RoJo & JBJ are the only ones that i trust dribbling the ball in the last minute of a close game lol. I just don't get it.

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Davis and Bryant have iced some key free throws late too

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing