Fred Glass accepts mediocre basketball

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Everyone talks about how talented we are. But Blackmon is not a good defender and disappeared last night, Bryant is no Swanigan and Crean's offense has him dribbling and screening at the top of the key half the time, OG should've been averaging a double-double but wasn't, why? Newkirk is inconsistent and awful at times.
Morgan is a good rebounder but not a consistent scorer. Davis can play the post but can't stay out of foul trouble. Green and Jones are athletic but inconsistent. McRoberts is a smart player but not an offensive threat.
Rob Johnson is the most consistent player on both sides of the ball.
So, yes we have players with talent. But as a group they can't consistently play at Top Ten levels. To me, Crean hasn't figured out how to put these pieces together to get the best out of them. Maybe they can't run his multitude of plays consistently without turnovers and bad decisions. So do something else that gets the best out of this talent. Consistently.


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Crean has built one "team" while at IU. The rest has been a collection of basketball plates and athletes that don't usually fit or are missing a big piece. One year it's a big, another a point guard. He needs to go!

[ctown2grhoosier 380]

IF a change isn't made this year, Glass has to know the boo birds will be out in full force next year.  They started showing up a couple years ago at home games.  If we lose 3 of our next 4, things will really be ugly for those last 2 home games against Michigan and Northwestern.

Of even worse than boos, the sound of crickets. Meaning empty seats. I know I won't give my hard-earned money to watch a man making 3 million a year completely fail over and over. That sound would be deafening.

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[colonel06 1,948]

Sidebar: Dakich is making the point that Bryant list 20 lbs and looks weak compared to last year.


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[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Sidebar: Dakich is making the point that Bryant list 20 lbs and looks weak compared to last year.


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So he can show that he's a 4 and not a 5 in the NBA. That's all good but further proves the theory Crean is more worried about getting players to the league than winning games for IU. He's paid to run a clean program and win for IU. He needs to go!

[Hovadipo 61,287]

Of even worse than boos, the sound of crickets. Meaning empty seats. I know I won't give my hard-earned money to watch a man making 3 million a year completely fail over and over. That sound would be deafening.

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The problem is, the people (non-boosters) that put their money away and give up seats will be replaced by others. Even in our worst times, we posted one of the better attendance numbers in the B1G/nation. I don't think it's possible to turn away a large enough chunk of the fanbase to make any difference. It'll have to come from the deep-pocketed ones. The "general public" will keep coming.


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[AZ Hoosier 10,697]

32 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

The problem is, the people (non-boosters) that put their money away and give up seats will be replaced by others. Even in our worst times, we posted one of the better attendance numbers in the B1G/nation. I don't think it's possible to turn away a large enough chunk of the fanbase to make any difference. It'll have to come from the deep-pocketed ones. The "general public" will keep coming.


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You may be 100% correct in your analysis... but personally, I see the REASON for the worse/worst times in a key piece to this discussion. In the 2008-2010 time frame, the program was decimated at the hand of one Kelvin Sampson... and that generated a sympathy factor in the fan base towards the program, the kids and to some extent the new staff. The attendance at that time was to show support and sympathy for the state of the program and the effort to recover/rebuild.

In today's case, the absolute opposite would be on display. Rather than show up for bad basketball to support the recovery, it would be a (lack of) attendance to show our displeasure with the state of the program and how it's being mismanaged, and destroyed.

Just another perspective.

[TheWatShot 15,429]

8 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

You may be 100% correct in your analysis... but personally, I see the REASON for the worse/worst times in a key piece to this discussion. In the 2008-2010 time frame, the program was decimated at the hand of one Kelvin Sampson... and that generated a sympathy factor in the fan base towards the program, the kids and to some extent the new staff. The attendance at that time was to show support and sympathy for the state of the program and the effort to recover/rebuild.

In today's case, the absolute opposite would be on display. Rather than show up for bad basketball to support the recovery, it would be a (lack of) attendance to show our displeasure with the state of the program and how it's being mismanaged, and destroyed.

Just another perspective.

100% accurate. In the pre-Zeller years, I still watched the games, knowing we weren't going to win. And I was ok with mistakes, because I believed things would get better. Two years ago, I quit watching after we went 10 minutes without scoring in the second half at Northwestern, and didn't watch the rest of the season. Last week, I didn't watch the Penn State game and had to miss the MSU game, and I was completely fine with that. Obviously I didn't even think of turning on the TV last night.

 

We're just in a different place now. 

[JSHoosier 22,186]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

100% accurate. In the pre-Zeller years, I still watched the games, knowing we weren't going to win. And I was ok with mistakes, because I believed things would get better. Two years ago, I quit watching after we went 10 minutes without scoring in the second half at Northwestern, and didn't watch the rest of the season. Last week, I didn't watch the Penn State game and had to miss the MSU game, and I was completely fine with that. Obviously I didn't even think of turning on the TV last night.

 

We're just in a different place now. 

Attention Fred,

This is called apathy.  It's already setting in with others as well.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,552]

12 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

You may be 100% correct in your analysis... but personally, I see the REASON for the worse/worst times in a key piece to this discussion. In the 2008-2010 time frame, the program was decimated at the hand of one Kelvin Sampson... and that generated a sympathy factor in the fan base towards the program, the kids and to some extent the new staff. The attendance at that time was to show support and sympathy for the state of the program and the effort to recover/rebuild.

In today's case, the absolute opposite would be on display. Rather than show up for bad basketball to support the recovery, it would be a (lack of) attendance to show our displeasure with the state of the program and how it's being mismanaged, and destroyed.

Just another perspective.

I think that the tickets will continue to be sold. However, if we continue down this path then I think we'll keep seeing plenty of games with thousands of empty seats come tip-off time like  we have the past few years. It depends on the athletic department and if they care that the seats are empty if they still get the money from them. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,013]

Attention Fred,

This is called apathy.  It's already setting in with others as well.

It has for me.

I literally changed the channel last night 5 minutes in and didn't turn it back on until the end just to see the bench mob. I followed on here cuz we are more fun than watching IUBB.

I feel embarrassed by our team more often than not. It's just sad.

Even the Rutgers win or Illinois, or MSU. They weren't pretty.




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[AKHoosier 7,636]

15 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

How do we Hoosier basketball fans make Glass understand how angry and frustrated we are with Tom Crean and his totally inadequate preparation, his stupefying substitution patterns, his inability to teach fundamentals and his absolute failure as an in-game coach and motivator? Crean's brand of basketball is laughable, and I am done supporting it.

I've stopped supporting the school with my funds, and have put my IU shirts, sweatshirts and hats in deep storage for the duration.

I'm sorry but if the only reason you support the school is because of the basketball program, that's ******* ********.

[HoosierTrav 8,299]

Attention Fred,

This is called apathy.  It's already setting in with others as well.

It set in with me 2 years ago. Last season ended up being a pleasant surprise but Crean has dug himself such a deep hole with the fanbase. He can't fool us anymore with the ra ra speeches and the occasional competitive season. He would need to make a final four (or better) and show that his teams don't have much of a drop off the following seasons. We have seen exactly what we have with Crean. Hopefully this basketball program means as much to the admins as it does us fans.

[Stuhoo 88,419]

41 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It has for me.

I literally changed the channel last night 5 minutes in and didn't turn it back on until the end just to see the bench mob. I followed on here cuz we are more fun than watching IUBB.

I feel embarrassed by our team more often than not. It's just sad.

Even the Rutgers win or Illinois, or MSU. They weren't pretty.




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Doc - far be it for me to prescribe to you, but I suggest you take one of these for your IU lethargy:

 

[Hoosierfan2017 24,552]

1 hour ago, AKHoosier said:

I'm sorry but if the only reason you support the school is because of the basketball program, that's ******* ********.

Especially since we're a football school. 

Seriously though I'm glad things are looking good for iufb because nothing about iubb excites me this year. 

[AZ Hoosier 10,697]

4 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

I'm sorry but if the only reason you support the school is because of the basketball program, that's f*****g retarded.

First of all, TO WHOM I give my money, and WHY is my business... and it's not "f****** r*******" - it's my choice. Secondly, you are entitled to your opinion, but the fact is "my money, my choice".

Now that we have that out of the way... let me clarify. I meant specifically financially supporting the basketball program through ticket purchases, IU gear, etc. Instead of traveling back to Indiana 2-3 times a year to catch a game, I just don't go.

But thanks for your opinion.

[mdn82 26,344]

To clarify, I meant specifically financially supporting the basketball program through ticket purchases, IU gear, etc. Instead of traveling back to Indiana 2-3 times a year to catch a game, I just don't go.

But thanks for your opinion.

Everyone surely has one. It's like the Cubs in 2012. Just over 2 million in attendance. Last year over 3 million. I am of the stupid variety (2 million) that doesn't fall off with the ebb and flow of the program. It's part of being a lifelong fan of a team that has front runner fans or fans waiting for that year that could be the year to catch that first World Series. There has been plenty of ebb and flow at IU the last 25 years. But many of the same people you notice in the stands were there the previous game. I am guessing regardless of who the coach is if we were winning 30 games next year regardless of who is coaching you would all still be posting here and watching (which I think most are). We do need a new coach and this has become unacceptable. But I would be willing to bet most people that say they aren't watching but posting on here are still watching most of the games. Or they wouldn't care to post.

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[FortWayneHoosier 6,685]

Everyone surely has one. It's like the Cubs in 2012. Just over 2 million in attendance. Last year over 3 million. I am of the stupid variety (2 million) that doesn't fall off with the ebb and flow of the program. It's part of being a lifelong fan of a team that has front runner fans or fans waiting for that year that could be the year to catch that first World Series. There has been plenty of ebb and flow at IU the last 25 years. But many of the same people you notice in the stands were there the previous game. I am guessing regardless of who the coach is if we were winning 30 games next year regardless of who is coaching you would all still be posting here and watching (which I think most are). We do need a new coach and this has become unacceptable. But I would be willing to bet most people that say they aren't watching but posting on here are still watching most of the games. Or they wouldn't care to post.

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This.


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[ctown2grhoosier 380]

1 hour ago, AKHoosier said:

I'm sorry but if the only reason you support the school is because of the basketball program, that's ******** ********.

Why would that be ********? I didn't go to IU, I don't have a child that goes to IU, I live in a different state. If they got rid of the football and basketball programs I'd have 0 reason to support the school. I really hate post like this calling ppl ********.

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[Hovadipo 61,287]

You may be 100% correct in your analysis... but personally, I see the REASON for the worse/worst times in a key piece to this discussion. In the 2008-2010 time frame, the program was decimated at the hand of one Kelvin Sampson... and that generated a sympathy factor in the fan base towards the program, the kids and to some extent the new staff. The attendance at that time was to show support and sympathy for the state of the program and the effort to recover/rebuild.

In today's case, the absolute opposite would be on display. Rather than show up for bad basketball to support the recovery, it would be a (lack of) attendance to show our displeasure with the state of the program and how it's being mismanaged, and destroyed.

Just another perspective.

Yeah that's a good point, it being two different scenarios. But I still don't think it turns enough fans away to matter. People like us that come to message boards to talk about this, sure. But there are SO many casual fans that will still scoop up those tickets because it's Indiana basketball. It's a brand that's so strong that it's really hard to steer a majority away. Which can be a bad things in times like these since the money will always flow in in some form.


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[Hovadipo 61,287]

Also, can we not use the R word? Thanks.


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