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He’s a kid defending his brother. Let’s be adults about this and give him a break.

IMO one of the better articles discussing where IU basketball is today and the conclusion is it's time to cut the cord. https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/tom-brew-finally-time-for-indiana-to-move-on-from-archie-miller?fbclid=IwAR18EwLyMeQ7DIrbcrTnbLkPKoHXi9UUdqFp4PBm_i8rBkh_Mv_YdMYLxoU

I honestly didnt think he could be this bad.

I'm sad that this thread exists. I was very vocal about how bad Archie would be as a coach here. I took heat for it, but I could clearly see how bad he would be. For his first couple years here, I couldn't wait until it was over. I couldn't wait to be vindicated. I couldn't wait to tell people how brilliant I am when it comes to picking the IU coach and they were idiots. Now that everybody has realized it, I don't feel proud. I feel sad. I hate where we are. I hate the results Archie has produced. I was right on Archie, but that doesn't mean I'll be right on the next coach. Many posters here were wrong on Archie, but that doesn't mean they'll be wrong on the next one. We just need a fresh start. We need solidarity. Archie must go.

We’ve been saying “if XYZ happen then we might be a good team next year” for four years now. It hasn’t happened. No one should expect anything different come next season.

Indiana got blown out by Indiana State, IPFW, Nebraska and Rutgers by a total of 57 points in his first season. Those losses are inexcusable and had he won those, which we weren’t really close in doing, that’s 20 wins and we are a shoe in for the NIT and likely in the tourney. He had plenty of head scratching blow out losses in year two as well. Those both should have been 20 win seasons. You can’t ditch work on Monday and then show up on Tuesday and when your getting fired say “hey, I at least showed up today, so that’s progress”. When your starting at a baseline of squat, progress argument is moot. and at least for me, had he made the tourney in each of his first 3 seasons then being a bubble team in year 4 wouldn’t have me in the “fire him” camp. If your worst year is “bubble” I can deal with that

Return volley, to a high school kid. Dakich is a trash person and shouldn't be given a platform.

If I were inclined to make a snarky comment -- has Archie?

Game of the year candidate so far. Michigan up 1 with 6:30 to play. Regardless of the outcome both these teams are 1 seeds

He apparently isn’t good at the getting old and staying old thing. In year 4 Archie has the second youngest team in the B1G according to Ken Pom. Purdue is the youngest team

I personally had enough when we lost to Purdue again this year. Also, I was giving him time to get his "old" team that he wants. It doesn't matter old or young, every team he puts on the floor looks the same and it doesn't turn my crank! Very boring basketball to watch imo. Watching missed free throw after missed free throw really makes my blood pressure sky-rocket!

Dan Dakich does PR like Indiana basketball does general game strategy. Ugly, muddy, and makes most that follow it cringe a lot!

I actually like dakich but what I find outrageous that he has said in the last couple games was knight is the only one who cares about the undefeated streak and is getting his vodoo dolls out ignoring the fact that knight probably has zero clue what is even going on this season. The other outrageous thing is that he told knight while he was a assistant to get in the refs ear to change the game lol. We all know knight would have smacked him in the head if he said any such thing to him. He was the general he isn't listening to one of his former players he let pretend to be a assistant Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Apathy is at an all-time high. I know people who used to watch the games religiously that just can't do it anymore. The buyout might seem like a lot, but keeping Miller for another year just to reduce it is only going to result in more ugly basketball and more fans moving on to their new post-Covid hobbies. It's like not getting vaccinated because you're afraid of the side effects. The side effects, or in this case, the buyout, are preferable to getting the disease itself (more Archie Miller basketball and more apathy toward the program).

This is more than message board and fan frustration. When the Indianapolis Star runs this headline it is beyond crazy fan expectations. A week or so ago Doyle also wrote a negative piece on Archie. he has lost the media as well as the fans

Just watched the game. We suck Archie needs fired now(won't happen) That is all Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

I will say this since our conversation last year on this topic for me Archie has gotten leapfrogged by some coaches I had behind him last year.

Lol. As I was typing my post my son was saying the exact same thing about Gonzaga’s schedule

I’ll take UM over Baylor or Gonzaga. Just as good, but they’re FAR more tested.

Talked to a friend and OSU fan this morning. He said the feeling with OSU fans is they really dodged a bullet not landing Archie.

It wasn’t just one thing for me but the moment I made a big mental turn was the Purdue game. The looks on their faces and their demeanor the whole game was that they already knew they were going to win that game. So much more ready and prepared. There is the laundry list of everything else we all discuss that was already boiling beneath the surface. But that game was the straw.

Howard at Michigan as well. My grandpa is 88 years old and has probably never even heard of message boards. He’s as disgusted with the program as much as any poster on here. The feeling is definitely in the general fan population at this point. Anyone who follows IU basketball at all knows we suck. I started to doubt Archie in his second season when we lost 12 out of 13 games. That team had no business being that bad. I believed the rumors that the issues were issues with player chemistry. I believed that things would be different once those individuals were gone. Well, they’re gone and the problems are still there. When you have the same problem as players cycle in and out, it’s a coaching issue.

It would take some unification from IU fans, multiple boards and social media posters and beyond bonding together for some action. it could be as easy, little as a million online signatures that addressed the love and passion of those signing and the displeasure for the product we have. An option that is a bit more to bite off is the same but backing it with a million dollars to help aid, support and force action. Crowd sourced million dollars to be paid out if used before April of next year to replace Archie. If the school didn’t use it before then for said action, dollars would be returned to the donor - a go fund me type if you will. the fans are hungry, tired and I don’t think it is at all crazy to think we could get 50,000 people to pay $20 each. Of course donate more/less but that would be a message of support that goes beyond individuals bitching on message boards. while a million doesn’t cover the buyout all in number, that all in number isn’t a real number and a million up front would go a long long way

He needs to stop shooting with his off hand. That’s what he’s doing right?

Trust me, I want him gone now, but it just won’t happen because of $$. It sucks because I believe we have a good team, but we are stuck with Archie for another season. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Everything about that 2018 class has hurt and really set Archie back. He inherited one recruiting class, which he couldn't do much about, and he has 3 of his own. The 2020 class looks like it will be very good. The 2019 class looks elite with TJD a top B10 player and Armaan looking like he could become one. But the 2018 class, which was one of the top classes in the country at the time, is a complete loss. Bad classes happen (just look at UK and Duke this year), but it couldn't be worse timing for Archie that it happened his first year. Langford was fine, but everybody knew he wouldn't be contributing to long term success. So of the other four, Forrester and Anderson are gone, Hunter has terrible injury luck that has sapped what could have been, and Phinisee has never developed, and his problems are mostly related to confidence, not basketball knowledge or skill. What was supposed to be the foundational class to start the turnaround is a big zero. Some of that falls on Archie, but some of it is just bad luck with that class basically having the worst of all possible outcomes. The 2018 class is a stain on how we look at everything. We say that Archie doesn't develop players, but I think pretty much everybody has gotten better, except for the 2018 class. We expect that by year 4 he should have a better team, but his first class contributed nothing to the rebuild and set them back. You can't win without good guards, and Archie got zero between 2017 (where he had little choice) and 2018. Not getting to take McKinley Wright like he wanted to in 2017 was a killer too. However, It looks like he's gotten 4 solid to potentially very good guards between 2019 and 2020, so that's reason for optimism. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anyone know why Geronimo didn’t play? Could he not have taken a shot at stopping Henry? No one else could stay in front.

it sounds like the other in-state NCAA tournament sites are putting the cap on attendance at 25% but IU is putting it at 500 people maybe they'll use COVID as a pretext to do something similar next season...to keep things "contained"

Unfortunately, we are stuck with CAM until April 1, 2022 AT MINIMUM!! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

While you may be right that the wrong hire is the end of IU basketball. But honestly, if IU basketball is over then it died 4 years ago in Creans last season. Archie hasn’t risen the program up. If a new coach comes in and it’s more of the same mediocrity or worse, seats will still be empty. The only thing to get IU basketball back is to win and win consistently. I don’t care about a name coach. I just want the right coach. Whoever that may be. If it’s Archie turning it around next year fantastic. If it’s Alford, I don’t care. Matta, fantastic. Just win baby.

The two games vs Iowa ;) In a general note, great coaches are on all levels. A high school, NAIA, or JUCO coach could very well succeed at IU. The problem we have at hand now is that we've been so bad since CTC's last year that the fanbase is UPSET. Archie is constantly trending on Twitter whenever IU loses, but never win IU wins. We have the IU homers wanting Steve, we have the fantasy dreamers (like me) who demand Brad Stevens, hell we even have fans asking for Sampson to come back. If we hire a no name, I think we're losing the fan base even more. There will be casual fans that say "anyone" is better than Archie. However, if IU is indeed still a "great" job then we should have no problem making a big hire. I'm on the other end of things saying IU isn't that great of a job and I find it hard to believe we'll find the right guy. A no name who doesn't do as great as Archie may very well be the end of IU basketball. That worries me. Scott Dolson will have the longest two years of his life, 2020 - 2022, with the amount of pressure on the IU basketball program. His career will unfortunately be decided based off this hire alone. A little unfair on his end but it's the truth. As Mike Davis once said I believe "Help is on the way" but is it?

This was news to me too, and good lord, that's horrifying and completely unacceptable here. Our football program can do better than that.

Archie didn’t do Romeo any favors. He utilized him horribly. Despite that and despite being hurt, he still averaged 16 ppg in conference play. Archie will get a chance to save his job next year, but he doesn’t deserve that chance. He’s had 4 years to save his job. Next year possibly being a good one also depends on players not transferring out. Lander especially. If I was him, I’d think quite a bit about transferring. Even more so if TJD leaves. Go find a coach that knows how to coach and utilize guards. Most of that SI article wasn’t new to me, but I did learn one thing. Archie has the worst recruiting class in the Big Ten coming in next year. Dead last. 14th out of 14. 78th in the country. There’s zero excuses for that, and it’s yet another reason why he shouldn’t return for next season.

Accepted and took on his role for Michigan. At Columbia he averaged double digit shot attempts but told the Michigan staff he knew he would have to change that. Heck of grad transfer for Michigan. Statistics tell you most grad transfers don’t really impact their incoming team. Michigan knocked one out of the park getting him

In all honesty, that's why it may be more financially expedient to pay the buyout now. As much as the admins have botched the program, they truly do know your scenario is a viable option that they'd prefer to avoid.

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Honestly, at this point I just want Archie gone. Even if your scenario played out. His teams play ugly, boring, uninspired basketball. Even the wins are chores to get through more often than not. I’ve only enjoyed watching a handful of games this year. Crean’s teams were usually at least fun to watch because they could shoot.

I’d feel GREAT if we became a top 20 team! As long as it’s still an “if” I still don’t feel great.

Isn't Dakich the one who says IU loves to eat their own? Pot meet kettle, Monday's radio show should be full of toxicity. Buckle up

Money is the issue until a booster is willing to pay it. The boosters can give the money for the buyout and if Iu doesn’t want to move on, then they can withhold their donations. Pretty simple. OldFriend was on here last week talking about the person whose name is on the building is pissed of about the product. Well she alone can influence a change. But she wouldn’t be the only one if it came to it.

I know its alot of money but the program is worth more than that. We will bleed revenue if this continues. I think to give archie this long was right and fair but not next year at this point. Assembly will be ugly next year if we are not good Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

And that's Rutgers basketball, not Indiana. That makes Archies time here even more embarrassing. Indiana basketball is supposed to be like priceless art.

I didn't want Glass involved with the decision, unless it was asking who he'd hire so we knew who to avoid. Needless to say, I fully expected him to screw it up.

The situation is getting depressing and I don't see a lot of good and realistic options to get the program on an upward trajectory right now. I looked back to my top 5 list in this thread from just January 15th and I don't know if any of those guys are viable at this point. Oats just got a big extension with a big buyout, Collins is on a big losing streak for the second year in a row, not sure if Woodson makes sense, who knows how long Donovan will be with the Bulls, and Beilein would be 69 assuming we wait until after Archie's buyout drops. I love the idea of Matta provided he is healthy and willing to do the Big Ten coaching grind again. At minimum it sounds like he has turned down opportunities with Georgia and Wichita St but I think he would give a lot of consideration if IU called. That's the only option giving me hope at this point.

I see alot of archie talk in game thread probably belongs here i keep hoping archie can succeed but today even more damage was done to that. I really am done we have better talent than our record is showing imo. I mean Today along with many others was just beyond ridiculous. I literally will take anybody else at this point. I have had it with this kind of stuff. Who worst coach in this league is I don't know but this is indiana and year 4 this in unacceptable. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

100%. He tried to give Leal a run and he showed he wasn’t into the game. I say that and I like Leal a lot. Can’t have Lander out there passing up wide open layups and trying to force passes that aren’t there and shooting 3’s like it’s a moving basket. Again, not defending Archie but he has no choice but to play Rob.

What a shame that an IU coach is in the conversation with these. And while I do agree that Turgeon underperforms, he has a 1st place Big Ten finish, two 2nds and a 3rd. Archie has nothing positive on his resume.

I am sure all great teams deal with that but on that note we deal with it but our team is opposite of great. Disappointing Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Nope. I think he would be as successful as Archie.