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Measuring yr 1, imo DeVries is right now very much on target, and while starting late with a completely bare cupboard of 0 players and assistants didn’t do him any favors, and the roster isn’t good (athletic, balanced, deep) enough to compete at the top, his choices and coaching show promise. - Identified, focused on and beat UK for Wilkerson. such a key decision and effective move, a fantastic addition. What he’s doing in lighting up the outside including setting IU records is also good for future HS and portal recruiting- that shouldn’t be overlooked. Shooters now will look hard at IU - The season after 4 years of Woodson’s complete disregard of perimeter shooting- the impact of that is completely ignored in this thread. - while he couldn’t otherwise land top tier portal talent, for reasons which should be obvious (late timing, IU’s image after 8 years of mediocrity, 0 players on roster), he built a core of winning veterans, guys who stood out and won at their level and who were high character guys who would play well together as a team, and including Alexis, championship experience and toughness up front - his value was on high display against Wisconsin, and strong point guard play. - Adjustments, late game play calling, winning in OT against good teams and on the road in the B1G — and unlike prior coaches’ end of season collapses, we’re watching the team win 4 of their last 5 including the road and in games which together we’re probably necessary to make the tourney. Not there yet, important games still to play, but as of now? Definitely a tourney team and DeVries’ coaching, lineup decisions, and the roster he built is all part of that. I think (and hope) the team will close the season well enough to make the tourney, they look tourney quality right now. Under all these circumstances, that’s a good 1st year for me. Next offseason is going to be important for sure. Returning probably Dorn, Sisley, Miles — maybe Harris, with Alexander- Moody, Karvala and Manhetz is decent, and particularly if we make the tourney and look decent in it (I think we will), ability to land higher level portal players is right there, and this time DeVries will have time to recruit the portal with an intact roster to complement the portal players being recruited. So all of this is why I just find the initial purpose of this thread ridiculous. The team is on the right path right now, gotta have at least some patience to let it play out.

I really feel like this is a huge hire. Maybe the game changer we need to get back on track.

Nice little segment of the seniors coming off the floor. Makes you think, think about the years past coaches and players….we had several players get in trouble off the court and a few personalities that were crappy. Not this team. This is probably one the cleaniest crews we’ve had in some time, and most likable kids we’ve had the pleasure of putting on the uniform, no bad talk on Twitter, no putting down the fan base during a speech, no lazy play . Just wore the IU uniform with pride and actually hustled their tails off, and represented the university well! Go IU!

Lmao Cig is so damn awesome.

One day left of radiation treatment! Also, this is 1000000% MUST WIN. Very literally can't lose this. Honestly need to win by 15+ and have full control of it. Not only would losing to such a garbage team be incredibly embarrassing, but it'd put quite the hamper on any March possibilities.

I’m gaining more and more confidence in Coach.

Swept in football and getting the walk on treatment in basketball. Tough year for the Just Do It's.

Last time IU got the benefit of the doubt late calls at home? Sure there are examples but it’s been a while since it’s been the house of calls. Coming against Wisky I’m here for all of them this time around

They say he's not involved with coaching, but if the Lakers win a game next week 58-54, you'll know why.

GM role

We have the best assistant in the nation -- of course, we already knew that. Congrats, Coach! Well-deserved.

Enright's assist to turnover rate has been truly extraordinary for the past month. He's up to an outstanding 4:1 (4.8/1.2 per game) for the season. But during this winning streak? Rutger: 2/1 Purdoo: 8/3 UCLA: 7/2 USC: 8/1 Wisconsin: 6/0 Oregon: 8/1 Total during this win streak? 39/8 for an average of 6.5 assists to 1.3 turnovers per game. And the past four games? 29/4. That's 7.25:1. Lamar is playing insanely well? Yes, but so is Conor Enright.

Just spent the last 15 minutes catching up on the last 5 pages or so of this thread. Wish I hadn't...

This season has been fine/solid/good enough: First year of a new coach sitting at 18-12. Bubble tournament team - currently 50-60% likely to get in. A bunch of very likable players - Sam Alexis, Enright, Lamar especially for me. Incoming recruiting class for next year is already strong. Finally playing modern offense. First time in eight years for that. Much of the program buzz is gone because for decades we have been a middling program, we aren't exceeding expectations, and because the fan base is understandably much more into our undefeated national championship football team. But overall? This is better than the past two years of Woodson and pretty much all of the Archie era.

Amish Boy & The Flopper you say?!!? WHY THAT'S COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU!!

Multiview on the big screen is a new feature since I went to YouTube TV. Champ week is coming

I think a “how is Carr doing so far” thread is overdue.

I feel it's INARGUABLE that is not the most ACCOMPLISHED team of all time. the "best ever" ... idk how anyone would prove that... We beat the #2, #4x2, #5, #9, #17, #25 ranked teams... plus.. 2 other teams that won their bowl games-- Old Dom, Penn State, and another team that won their conference- Kennesaw St. Won the B1G, Rose Bowl, Peach Bowl, and Natty... NCOY, Heisman winner, Broyles award winner...

Underwood always looks like a Kroger manager that just saw a kid grab a liquor bottle and make a run for it

Agree. A lot of the issues now are roster decisions from 8-9 months ago. Nothing you’re gonna do about that. But I thought this team had no chance to defend and they were gonna have to win every game 92-89 and that’s not the case. They play hard and physically. They communicate pretty well and they don’t give up easy stuff. They’re gonna have bad matchups but they hold up. And offensively they’ve developed an on court identity and when you have a flamethrower he’s creating space for others and you can get consistent looks. Thought after Iowa this thing could get sideways and it hasn’t and that’s on DDV, too. I am on balance pretty happy. This team is worth watching and rooting for.

So was the charge. We stole a win in a lot of ways, but not via those two calls. Nice to see correct calls being made without the situation interfering.

Wisconsin owes us a few hundred calls over the last 20 years.

Alexis gets my MVP vote

Hey all; I am going to amend the thread title. The change will not affect any of the posts made, hopefully will better describe the really good ongoing and legit conversation, and will remove the less-than-optimum thread title snark. Thanks

But I was told he was the closest thing to a slam dunk, sure thing hire IU could have made last year... lmao

So I will ring in here, I think it was fed up after Woodson and at a certain point, you could tell this team just isn't built to do the "it" we want it to. They are about at their ceiling right now which is to squeak into the tournament and probably be one and done. They are still in a position to do that but honestly you kind of look around at the programs in our area and after just seeing a national title run in football and sitting around watching 19-12, 8 minute scoring drought, can't defend very well basketball just isn't that exciting. We have been "rebuilding" for 10 years and frankly the program is just stale. The crowd was stale. The play was stale. There is just no juice, like it doesn't even really excite or bother me too much while watching the games anymore. I was all in on the football team during the CFP run and when I contrast it to this it is the difference between being invested and watching out of habit and nothing better to do. And when the bulk of the team is going to be gone next year, you aren't even watching for the future. The argument we have heard the past 10 years is that the fan base has held the program back with our negativity and we all just need to shut up and go away for awhile until they get things cooking again. They are getting their wish. Twitter was about as docile after a disaster like last night as I have ever seen out of the fanbase and that wasn't because of understanding, it is apathy.

Jared Kelly - Four months after a torn ACL, Lee Beebe Jr. was back deadlifting 500 pounds.

I think a lot of us have been relatively happy with Devries from a coaching standpoint, but less so with his year 1 roster building. So hiring a guy like this to help build the roster feels like outstanding news.

Who and where they were playing had a big part to do with that. I would guess most on here didn’t think IU was going to compete for a national title in year 1 and 3 of the 4 teams they played are considered title contender teams. I think people see Nebraska and think automatic win at home. Most years yes but this year they are legit. Ius 4 game losing streak consisted of Nebraska at home( projected 2 seed), @Michigan (title favorite), @Sparty (projected 2 or 3) and home against Iowa (tourney quality team that IU should of competed better against but didn’t). For me the Iowa game is the worse loss of the season for IU ( the optics of DeVries losing to Ben at home when both are from Iowa and IU flat out had a crap game. Would love to play them in the BTT. If those loses were spread out over the B1G season I don’t think people would have been losing their minds as much however they all happen in a row. That is a tough of stretch on a schedule for any team. Season isn’t a straight line although it would be nice for it to play out that way for fans. Teams, especially non elite tourney teams with a flawed roster, are going to have ups and downs. Finish strong and no one will remember that stretch

Put this in the game thread, but will put it here too, the first 4-5 possessions of the 2nd half were a masterclass by DeVries.

You need roster retention. Can’t go out and buy 11-12 new players and rely on freshman every single season. Dorn and Sisley are absolutely pieces you need to keep. How much they play and what kind of role they take on largely depends on their development, especially in Sisley’s case, but you don’t want to get in the habit of throwing 12-13 new faces together every single year. You need some level of continuity.

Yeah -- Tuck got fouled. But it shouldn't have come down to that. This was friggin' ugly.

Tom chimes in with some positive views. Good stuff.

4 new Contracts with only 2 seasons coached absolutely has to be a record

New contract for Cig. His contract had a clause that said when he makes the CFP semis, there is a good faith renegotiation of his contract so that he is a top three paid coach. Worth it!

Every so often, I'll look back on my younger days and think "I wish I'd have asked this girl out." or "I wish I had asked that girl out." I really wished we had dumped Woody two years ago and asked Dusty May out.

Where things stand with a month left in the regular season IU has put themselves in position to where if they win their home games they should be comfortable in the tourney. If they start losing home games then they will have to make it up on the road games where 2 of them are top of the bracket road games and the other is at a bubble team. They always have the conference tourney to build their resume if things fall through in this last month. I’ve seen teams completely fall apart in the last month and fall out of the bracket completely and I’ve seen teams solidify and improve their seeding in the last month. Not sure what IU will do but the schedule suggests they will have a shot to solidly their seeding and have bonus road games to sky rocket up the seed line if they win any of those games 18-6 (7-6) NET-33 Sos-33 Non con-212 Results based metrics WAB-40 KPI-53 SOR- 41 Predictive metrics Ken Pom- 35 Torvik-25 BPI- 29 Q1a(2-7) Q1b(0-3) Q2a(2-0) Q1b(0-0) Q3(5-0) Q4 (7-0) IU has 8 losses which are all in the Q1 area breaking it down further 5 losses are Q1a( 4 away from home ) 3 losses are Q1b(2 away from home ) IU has an sos of 33 with 2 away games left against the top 10 in NET and another road game against a top 37 team with another home game against a top 12 team. How much higher will their SOS jump up with those 4 games? They possibly could have a top 10 SOS when it’s all said and done. Is IUs roster perfect? No it has some flaws and room for improvement next year. if IU makes the tourney while playing a potentially top 10 SOS with this roster that would be a heck of a start for this staffs time at IU. I think everyone knew after the first couple games that the roster had some limitations that would hold them back from being able to compete with the top teams in the nation. As of today 8 of IUs 20 conference games will come against top 18 in the NET. Buckle up for the last month.

Made one bucket in the final 10:32. And we still won. Wow.

Actually miraculous victory. Gift wrapped by the refs. Coach better learn from this. The ghost of RMK saved us today.

I remember last year when McNeely didn’t come because he heard IU fans boo. Wait…it was actually because he didn’t like what he saw on the court from the coaching staff, wasn’t it? Weird how that works. I’d be less worried about what the recruits heard in the stands today and much more about what they saw on the floor.

Love the fact it's a newly created role (staff identified the need) and we filled it with an NBA guy (good connections). Hopefully this is a shot of adrenaline heading into the portal fully staffed.

Don't know if anybody pointed this out -- guessing someone did -- but our hoops team scored 51 points against Illinois. Our football team scored 63 points against Illinois. WE ARE A FOOTBALL SCHOOL!

IU most definitely DID NOT whiff on Dusty May. BoT Chair W Quinn Buckner refused to consider moving on from his boy, the arrogant one, Michael Dean Woodson. That's a vastly different scenario. Buckner stacked the deck and refused to allow AD Scott Dolson the ability to do his job. The fix was in from the start. I will never forgive Buckner for his inbred nepotism, and it will forever mar his (and Woodson's) legacy as members of the Indiana basketball fraternity. With that said, I have no real issue with CDDV and his progress. He got a bit of a late start with building his staff, and that resulted in a slow start with the roster build. But to see where we are today, I can say that it's a darn sight ahead of where the arrogant and incompetent Mike Woodson was at this point, and will DeVries far surpass Mediocre Mike's results in short order.

I want success as well. I think IU has dug itself a hole that’s going to be harder than some think. Yes with NIL and the transfer portal it can make things easier but it’s not guarantee it will. A couple things make this sting even more then it should and when an IU grad and manger takes a mid major to a final 4 and the administration holds onto a coach 1 year longer then they should to hire the coach and he goes to an in conference team and is killing it in back to back years that hurts. IU needed to make up for the Archie hire (who at the time of the hire I was one that though he would work out )and they hire a coach with 0 college coaching experience. IU couldn’t get out of their own way. No one in the college basketball landscape thought IU was serious with that hire and I would guess 80 percent of ius own fan base thought the same thing. Having back to back coaching hires where in reality the program didn’t move forward was bound to leave a stain. Sure there was some bright spots but overall the program was stuck in the same mud they were in at the end of the Crean era. At least this time they hired a guy that sat on the bench of 2 really good college coaches and had success at the lower level first and looked to improve on that and was competing in his 1st Power 5 job. The Archie hire will make any IU fan gun shy on any hire IU was going to make that wasn’t a sure fire thing. Those coaches really don’t move anymore. I have no clue if devries is the guy or not but from my years of watching him at Drake and watching him beat Arizona, Gonzaga and at Kansas all in the same year gave me hope after watching IUs last coaches lose to these programs by 20 + in the last couple years and be non competitive. If he could do that in his first year at West Virginia of all places why couldn’t he do that at IU? I don’t think he will be another Archie but I can’t guarantee he will be the next Hurley. All I can do is do what I do for every new coach and sunshine pump the heck out of him and hope what I saw in watching him have success over the last couple years carries over to IUs program.