(2018) SG Romeo Langford - INDIANA HOOSIERS

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1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

You are cherry picking one line from the Indy Star story which basically says that there is nothing really new and there is nothing that is going to have any kind of effect.

My problem with the Washington Post story is that it's a story that was relevant maybe twenty years ago.  Seriously, I was reading books on the subject twenty years.  Guys like William Wesley (World Wide Wes) have been around forever....

Basically IMO the Washington Post just ran a piece on something that was common knowledge -- that Time Langford ran an Adidas sponsored AAU team.  That sure as heck wasn't a secret.

But, they tried to twist in into an unheard of, uncommon and an unethical situation, making Romeo's recruitment and commitment tainted, which isn't true.

Par for the course in 2018,  cough,cough, Journalism.

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This goes to show that the media doesn't really care about solving this problem.  If so, how is there no story about Bowen, who was at the center of the scandal where an actual crime was committed?  The source of the WaPo story was the coach who was fired and part of the investigation, where the actual crime, was committed.  

This is so laughable.  

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This goes to show that the media doesn't really care about solving this problem.  If so, how is there no story about Bowen, who was at the center of the scandal where an actual crime was committed?  The source of the WaPo story was the coach who was fired and part of the investigation, where the actual crime, was committed.  
This is so laughable.  

Their job isn’t to fix things. Their job is to report on things that people look at. If they keep re-reporting old news people won’t look at it. If they put a bow on something with new names people will look at it. You put Indiana on it many more people will view it. I am guessing everyone that frequents these sites have viewed the article. Then they have told people about it and they have viewed it. Mission accomplished. They did their job.


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Their job isn’t to fix things. Their job is to report on things that people look at. If they keep re-reporting old news people won’t look at it. If they put a bow on something with new names people will look at it. You put Indiana on it many more people will view it. I am guessing everyone that frequents these sites have viewed the article. Then they have told people about it and they have viewed it. Mission accomplished. They did their job.


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EXACTLY, and that’s not all;
I find it kinda ridiculous that some are busting on the Post for reporting on what they consider “old news.”
A national-not sports publication is trying to publish for readers who may never read college b-ball articles unless it’s during March Madness. This article is a piece using Romeo as a case study to describe a prevalent National situation. It does its job well IMO.



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Bob Kravitz has an article up that repeats the Post's story with an added shot at CAM. He called Adidas Archie's  best recruiter and praised Coach Crean for not playing the game to get top recruits. If what is going on is legal and breaks no rules, then I think it's a little unfair to call it dirty.

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2 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

I'd say the average 2018 prostitute isn't one scintilla less trustworthy than they average 2018 journalist.

Skip Bayless is simultaneously a ***** and journalist.  But he's a better *****.

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2 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

But, they tried to twist in into an unheard of, uncommon and an unethical situation, making Romeo's recruitment and commitment tainted, which isn't true.

Par for the course in 2018,  cough,cough, Journalism.

And they tried to insinuate that Langford was guided to go to Indiana by Adidas.  Simply put.....not true.  Adidas wants to try to have him under their 'umbrella' for the future.  Adidas is concerned about Adidas.....they aren't concerned about Indiana.

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11 minutes ago, cthomas said:

Bob Kravitz has an article up that repeats the Post's story with an added shot at CAM. He called Adiatisalso praised Coach Crean for not playing the game to get top recruits. If what is going on is legal and breaks no rules, then I think it's a little unfair to call it dirty.

Well, Kravitz was always very light on Crean.  He wrote this puff piece on him last year.

https://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-crean-tells-bob-hes-disappointed-but-not-discouraged-not-in-the-least

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40 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Their job isn’t to fix things. Their job is to report on things that people look at. If they keep re-reporting old news people won’t look at it. If they put a bow on something with new names people will look at it. You put Indiana on it many more people will view it. I am guessing everyone that frequents these sites have viewed the article. Then they have told people about it and they have viewed it. Mission accomplished. They did their job.


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I'd say that's part of their job.  But just because it's easier to get clicks by doing the easy, non newsworthy thing doesn't make it good journalism.  

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I'd say that's part of their job.  But just because it's easier to get clicks by doing the easy, non newsworthy thing doesn't make it good journalism.  

Except, it was good journalism. Sources willing to go on record, sound research, relevant, and not inflammatory. Our fans just don’t like it.


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3 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Except, it was good journalism. Sources willing to go on record, sound research, relevant, and not inflammatory. Our fans just don’t like it.


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I guess I just don't see 'the sound research'.  Tim Langford running an Adidas backed AAU team was public knowledge.  The main source going on record is someone suing Adidas who claims to not know anything going on at his own school.....so not sure why his word would be trusted on items going on elsewhere.

I don't have any doubt that Adidas wanted Romeo Langford at an Adidas school.  I'm not sure why it's considered news that a shoe company looks to keep players in their AAU 'stable' of schools.

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I guess I just don't see 'the sound research'.  Tim Langford running an Adidas backed AAU team was public knowledge.  The main source going on record is someone suing Adidas who claims to not know anything going on at his own school.....so not sure why his word would be trusted on items going on elsewhere.
I don't have any doubt that Adidas wanted Romeo Langford at an Adidas school.  I'm not sure why it's considered news that a shoe company looks to keep players in their AAU 'stable' of schools.

Because of what is going on in college basketball and it involves a player going to Indiana. Is it illegal? No. Is it a gray area the average person knows about? No. Did people read the article because of above? Yep. It did its job. Also, they aren’t just going off of Pitino’s word. They have his phone records. They quoted those more than him. Again nothing wrong with what the Langford’s did and I don’t necessarily fault them. But to act like it’s not relevant has more to do with our allegiance than anything. Plus they never said Indiana or Langford did anything wrong. It was more informative this was going on. Don’t understand the issue.


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15 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Except, it was good journalism. Sources willing to go on record, sound research, relevant, and not inflammatory. Our fans just don’t like it.


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About the worst source on the planet, a guy who knows nothing about his own University, but amazingly has great clarity about others.

As far as inflammatory, the writer had to be careful about creating his own legal troubles, but a sentence like In a brief phone interview May 3, Tim Langford professed ignorance  isn't something you'd write if you weren't trying to paint in a negative light.

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About the worst source on the planet, a guy who knows nothing about his own University, but amazingly has great clarity about others.
As far as inflammatory, the writer had to be careful about creating his own legal troubles, but a sentence like In a brief phone interview May 3, Tim Langford professed ignorance  isn't something you'd write if you weren't trying to paint in a negative light.

1) The best sources are the ones involved. Ricky P is arguably the best source on the planet. Not the smartest for putting this out there though. Very easy for a good attorney to pull this out and tear about his credibility when discussing what he does and does not recall.
2) I thought the article read dry and and factual. Professed ignorance is pretty plain commentary if they asked Tim directly about this.


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53 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

1) The best sources are the ones involved. Ricky P is arguably the best source on the planet. Not the smartest for putting this out there though. Very easy for a good attorney to pull this out and tear about his credibility when discussing what he does and does not recall.
2) I thought the article read dry and and factual. Professed ignorance is pretty plain commentary if they asked Tim directly about this.


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I would interpret this the exact opposite... this is part of big dicky’s legal strategy/scripted in conjunction with his legal team. He wants to create grey area moral equivalency between what adidas did in paying direct cash to Bowen - and those Gatto calls he can’t really recall the topic on, but believes they were probably related to Rozier’s contract renewal not Bowen who committed the next day or so— to adidas paying aau teams, specifically Langford’s. Interesting how sharp the details of the calls and discussions he remembers on the latter stuff but not the former. He’s not only legally battling U of L, but also adidas and obviously the potential of the feds too. This is also a signal to adidas to settle BIG or his selective memory will become very crisp - and put the weight of blame on them. Also to public opinion - blur the emotion - everyone gets paid, what’s the difference how dads aau programs v dads direct getting $$. (Moral equivalency). It’s also a lil box of sht/fu back to IU who’s alum exposed him in the player prostitute scandal. 

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Here is why I really think it was shoddy journalism......pretty important quote that Pitino said that they didn't bother to ask about.

 

“The Dad never asked for a single thing,” Pitino said. “The Mom never asked for a single thing. The kid never asked for a single thing. I thought it was one of the most honest recruitment I’ve seen.”

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2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Here is why I really think it was shoddy journalism......pretty important quote that Pitino said that they didn't bother to ask about.

 

“The Dad never asked for a single thing,” Pitino said. “The Mom never asked for a single thing. The kid never asked for a single thing. I thought it was one of the most honest recruitment I’ve seen.”

Right...but the shameless self serving scumbag has no problem whatsoever dragging the L family into the discussion now in order to further his own interest.  They were never anything but on board and loyal to him and U of L until Big Dickey’s sht finally exploded his program making it no longer a viable option.  Not that there was ever any question about his lack of character based on his entire history and multiple egregious actions from the past. But, sheesh - have an ounce of dignity, take your multi-millions, crawl into a hole and leave it, along with unsuspecting kids and their families, alone.

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5 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

1) The best sources are the ones involved. Ricky P is arguably the best source on the planet. Not the smartest for putting this out there though. Very easy for a good attorney to pull this out and tear about his credibility when discussing what he does and does not recall.
2) I thought the article read dry and and factual. Professed ignorance is pretty plain commentary if they asked Tim directly about this.


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Tim isn't the finance guy. If I ask you about your Dad's finances and you don't know specifically and you say you don't know, you only "profess ignorance" If I'm being a jack-wagon journalist, otherwise I quote you. "I don't know much about my Dad's finances.", Boot said.

 

Anyway, enough about the profession that's gone the most down hill in the last 20 years.

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2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Here is why I really think it was shoddy journalism......pretty important quote that Pitino said that they didn't bother to ask about.

 

“The Dad never asked for a single thing,” Pitino said. “The Mom never asked for a single thing. The kid never asked for a single thing. I thought it was one of the most honest recruitment I’ve seen.”

It didn't fit the agenda of the writer. 

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Tim isn't the finance guy. If I ask you about your Dad's finances and you don't know specifically and you say you don't know, you only "profess ignorance" If I'm being a jack-wagon journalist, otherwise I quote you. "I don't know much about my Dad's finances.", Boot said.
 
Anyway, enough about the profession that's gone the most down hill in the last 20 years.

It was Tim’s team. Absolutely asinine to think he didn’t know the value of the sponsorship, especially when the Adidas sources told WaPo that it was made known to the three shoes companies that Tim Langford wanted a grassroots team sponsored by the highest bidder.

WaPo also says the quotes between Pitino and Adidas about Langford are supported by text messages he provided them.

WaPo ends the article expressing that no one associated with the team is speaking nor validating the sponsorship nor the claimed donation to a non-profit, but there doesn’t appear to be any signs of significant cash windfalls for the parties involved based on publicly available information.

The article ends with, not surprising, the news that Twenty Two Vision is no longer running a team.

Overall, it’s story that uses a high profile recruit to draw attention to a complex underground system that helps shape college basketball, and further establishes the depth and complexity in solving the corruption associated with it.

None of this fits your nor our fan base’s narrative, because it’s a negative story about our recruit. Doesn’t mean it isn’t both factual and relevant.


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