College Bball Thread

[Hovadipo]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

BTW, just read the rule on going out of bounds and it is different in high school and NCAA.  In high school, if you step out of bounds 'voluntarily', it is a violation (which would result in a turnover).  A whistle is to blow the ball dead and the possession becomes the other team's ball.  Assume refs use discretion here because it would seem silly for a player on defense to be allowed to go out of bounds and force the offense to re-inbound the ball.  There is no rule at the high school level, however, against a player going out of bounds non-voluntarily and then reestablishing in bounds and being the next player to touch the ball.

At the college level, it is not a violation to go out of bounds but you can not be the next player to touch the ball.

He also doesn’t establish himself back in bounds before receiving the pass, so if I’m understanding you here, he broke 2 rules lol. 
 

Edit: as you just posted lol

[HoosierAloha]

25 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I actually didn't know that.  I thought it you re-established back in bounds you were okay to catch a pass.  Have to say this is probably a violation that occurs quite a bit and never gets called, although not as blatantly as above.

This was called often several years back. I remember several calls going against IU when a player was running the baseline and stepped out of bounds then received a pass. I know it happened several times in the Crean era.

[rcbowla]

He also doesn’t establish himself back in bounds before receiving the pass, so if I’m understanding you here, he broke 2 rules lol. 
 
Edit: as you just posted lol

Even if he had established himself back in play it was still a violation because he went out on his own volition. He wasn't bodied out/forced out and his momentum didn't take him out. When going OOB on your own volition you cannot be the next one to touch the ball regardless of reestablishing yourself.

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[J34]

They spend so much time reviewing everything,  and let this go? Officiating is as bad as ever!

[WayneFleekHoosier]

This was called often several years back. I remember several calls going against IU when a player was running the baseline and stepped out of bounds then received a pass. I know it happened several times in the Crean era.

Crean had guys that liked to shoot corner 3s and shuffled their feet out of bounds trying to get into their shot. If I remember correctly Newkirk was one of the Oft offenders. But there were several. Mind blowing. Anyway, it’s a different situation a little and refs like to call this one.

 

And it appears they blew the call last night.

 

 

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[str8baller]

5 hours ago, J34 said:

They spend so much time reviewing everything,  and let this go? Officiating is as bad as ever!

Instant replay sucks in all forms. It doesn’t increase annoying but time spent standing around.  

[lillurk]

7 hours ago, rcs29 said:

Even if he had established himself back in play it was still a violation because he went out on his own volition. He wasn't bodied out/forced out and his momentum didn't take him out. When going OOB on your own volition you cannot be the next one to touch the ball regardless of reestablishing yourself.

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This rule surely changed in the 25-plus years since Brian Evans played at IU, right? Watching him run the baseline, even we’ll OOB, is one of my earliest memories watching the hoosiers

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

It's funny... You can't review to see if a player was out of bounds... Unless you're Wisconsin in Assembly Hall. 

[Demo]

My favorite part of this OSU thing is Buckeye Twitter collectively tying themselves into knots trying to reinterpret the rule. Seriously, what’s wrong with just going with, “Man, did we catch a great break”, and heading on down the road? But, no, they are losing their $hit over the mere suggestion that they got lucky.

What. The. Hell.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Adams is a good follow.  He's a former NCAA men's basketball officiating coordinator

 

[HoosierAloha]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Crean had guys that liked to shoot corner 3s and shuffled their feet out of bounds trying to get into their shot. If I remember correctly Newkirk was one of the Oft offenders. But there were several. Mind blowing. Anyway, it’s a different situation a little and refs like to call this one.

 

And it appears they blew the call last night.

 

 

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Crean always out thought the room. Why play on a 94'x50' court when you can get several feet on either end to run more sets?!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Adams is a good follow.  He's a former NCAA men's basketball officiating coordinator

 

I think it's pretty simple... Big Ten refs are complete garbage. How they have jobs outside a McDonald's is beyond me. 

[HoosierAloha]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I think it's pretty simple... Big Ten refs are complete garbage. How they have jobs outside a McDonald's is beyond me. 

They're not as terrible when they officiate other conferences or noncon games. What happens between those games and Big 1.o games?

[BtownStrength]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

They're not as terrible when they officiate other conferences or noncon games. What happens between those games and Big 1.o games?

It's a feature, not a bug. Big 1.0 wants games officiated this way. And sadly it will push people away from the product. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

They're not as terrible when they officiate other conferences or noncon games. What happens between those games and Big 1.o games?

I couldn't tell ya. I don't think they are even good in non con games. And they still get so much worse in conference games. It'd be nice if some coaches got the balls to speak up about it. And some ADs. 

[IU - Kaulie]

I know most teams do it but I hate fouling at the end.  If your winning don’t extend the game.  So many things can happen.

I’m happy Rutgers lost.  Not that I dislike them but they are a sleeper in the BIG if they can steal a few road wins.  Should have had that one.

[Stuhoo]

37 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

They're not as terrible when they officiate other conferences or noncon games. What happens between those games and Big 1.o games?

Probably because we don't care or pay attention nearly as much when it's a non-con/non-IU game.

I've refereed enough to know that refs don't see team names or conference standings; they see bodies moving and bumping and revert to what they've been trained to notice. Some refs have very good habits, so they are in position to see more and thereby they tend to screw up less.

[HoosierCoop]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Probably because we don't care or pay attention nearly as much when it's a non-con/non-IU game.

I've refereed enough to know that refs don't see team names or conference standings; they see bodies moving and bumping and revert to what they've been trained to notice. Some refs have very good habits, so they are in position to see more and thereby they tend to screw up less.

I miss the good ole' days of Hightower, Burr, etc.  They would feel out the game, work with the players/coaches, and let the game unfold.  They wouldn't dictate the game (except for Valentine).

[IU Scott]

The NCAA should be in charge of the refs and not the conferences.  They need to make them full time employees and not sub contractors who tried to get as many games as they can.  There are some refs you will see about every day doing a game and it just to much on them.  They run as much as the players and the players don't play as many games.

[RaceToTheTop]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Probably because we don't care or pay attention nearly as much when it's a non-con/non-IU game.

I've refereed enough to know that refs don't see team names or conference standings; they see bodies moving and bumping and revert to what they've been trained to notice. Some refs have very good habits, so they are in position to see more and thereby they tend to screw up less.

While they might not 'see team names or conference standings', I wouldn't say that the calls they make aren't influenced at all by the crowd.  

Here was a study of games played under no (or very little) attended games in college basketball to games played in the previous non-covid year.  With fans, home teams won 63% of the time by an average margin of 4.3 points.  Without fans, they won 59% of the time by an average margin of 3.1 points..