College Bball Thread

[HoosierCoop]

6 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Interesting read about Mike Watkins' repeated off-court issues at Penn State and indirectly the question of why he's still on the team.

https://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/10/penn_state_mike_watkins_patric.html

Chambers knows that if he removes Watkins from the team, he is out on his arse.

[SlamaJamaSisley]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2801613-g-league-offering-professional-path-to-nba-for-prospects-with-125k-contracts

Might this be a big deal to TJD or Brooks?

[mdn82]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2801613-g-league-offering-professional-path-to-nba-for-prospects-with-125k-contracts
Might this be a big deal to TJD or Brooks?

Nah because most players of high caliber will be taking a pay cut all things considered. It won’t be good for the NBA either as the free marketing of college basketball would be missing for top players before the draft.


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[Stuhoo]

Elite 8 matchup for preseason fan poll player of the year. Give a Tweet vote for JMo y’all!!

https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1052987327453323264?s=20

 

[Chips&Dipo]

I have learned two things from the recent higher compensation from the G-league announcement:

1. A lot of NBA/CBB fans are younger than I am and can't remember a time when the best high school players went to the NBA and therefore the NCAA will be just fine, and

2. People are really underselling the value for an 17-18 year old to be coached by some of the best basketball minds in the country. 

[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, Andowen1990IU said:

I have learned two things from the recent higher compensation from the G-league announcement:

1. A lot of NBA/CBB fans are younger than I am and can't remember a time when the best high school players went to the NBA and therefore the NCAA will be just fine, and

2. People are really underselling the value for an 17-18 year old to be coached by some of the best basketball minds in the country. 

I would argue that the highest of the high level coaches in college are better than the G-league 

[Chips&Dipo]

14 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I would argue that the highest of the high level coaches in college are better than the G-league 

I would agree

[LIHoosier]

Another thing that may deter one n dones going to the G League is that they'll be facing grown grown men without any guaranteed playing time compared to most likely getting starters minutes and making a highlight reel playing vs kids their own age where they may have 6-8 tough games a year. An article I read about this said the average age of a non contracted player in the G League is 25. They're not gonna play kindly.


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[Stuhoo]

Another another thing that will deter is the popularity of D1 basketball players with the women-folk. It’s a much more appreciated status and high quality endeavor on a college campus than in Sioux Falls or Fort Wayne as a GLeague guy that isn’t old enough to get into a bar.

 

[HoosierAloha]

But but, the athletes don't get anything and they don't benefit from college. It's the rich getting richer while the athletes are basically slave labor...


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Slave labor while getting free schooling, free traveling, free food, free bed, free marketing.


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What about Free Willy?

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Joe DeLow said:

I’m not sure if Adidas will buy kids a whale or not.


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If they won’t Nike will!

[HoosierAloha]

Slave labor while getting free schooling, free traveling, free food, free bed, free marketing.


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Top notch coaching, strength and conditioning coaches, food, stipends, BMOC status, etc..

And they still have the choice to skip that to get paid immediately, yet most CHOOSE to attend college for a handful of months.


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[RatpigHoosier]

What about Free Willy?

That’s freely available at Uof6....


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[pumpfake]

4 hours ago, RatpigHoosier said:

That’s freely available at Uof6....


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He shoots and scores!  Well played.

[IUsafety]

Juwan made the Karl Malone Award preseason list.


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[VeevlandBrowns]

If you’re paying attention to the DOJ college basketball case, you’ll note that the $125K is in line with the numbers being tossed around as having been paid to players via shoe companies. In some cases more, in some cases less than what players allegedly received but in the ballpark.

I think this won’t be the easy decision some are already claiming it is, though. Yes, you get paid without any hassle and you get access to “NBA infrastructure, as well as a bevy of off-court development programs geared towards facilitating and accelerating their transition to the pro game.” However, there are some questions…

1. Brand. The reality is that no serious number of people are going to watch the GLeague, with or without elite HS players coming straight into it. That’s just reality. Might it shift over time? Sure, but that will take a LONNNNNNGGGG time. The calculation for many will be that the year of playing at a high profile school for a year will more than offset $125K. For everybody? Nope, but I believe absolutely so for some. So if you want name recognition, I’m not sure the GLeague is the best way to go about it.

2. More importantly, there’s the issue of the draft. Keep in mind, when someone takes this offer, they’re not signing a two way or playing in the NBA at all that year. The entry rule for the Draft remains unchanged. So they’re going to be earning their draft position by playing against men 5-6 years older than they are (in most instances) who are desperately trying to earn a look from the NBA, same as they are…except they’ll be more physically and mentally mature in most cases. Again, in the long run, are you better off going this route and possibly being exposed or just simply shown to be not ready for grown man levels of play, or are you helped more by playing in college for a year? I think that’s going to be a calculation with multiple answers, depending upon the situation.

To me, it boils down to this…does the $125K “move the needle,” given the downsides (worse conditions for training/playing in most instances which negatively impacts draft status, etc.)? I’m not sure it does but we’ll begin to find out soon enough.

Edited October 20, 2018 by VeevlandBrowns
Grammar

[AKHoosier]

10 hours ago, VeevlandBrowns said:

If you’re paying attention to the DOJ college basketball case, you’ll note that the $125K is in line with the numbers being tossed around as having been paid to players via shoe companies. In some cases more, in some cases less than what players allegedly received but in the ballpark.

I think this won’t be the easy decision some are already claiming it is, though. Yes, you get paid without any hassle and you get access to “NBA infrastructure, as well as a bevy of off-court development programs geared towards facilitating and accelerating their transition to the pro game.” However, there are some questions…

1. Brand. The reality is that no serious number of people are going to watch the GLeague, with or without elite HS players coming straight into it. That’s just reality. Might it shift over time? Sure, but that will take a LONNNNNNGGGG time. The calculation for many will be that the year of playing at a high profile school for a year will more than offset $125K. For everybody? Nope, but I believe absolutely so for some. So if you want name recognition, I’m not sure the GLeague is the best way to go about it.

2. More importantly, there’s the issue of the draft. Keep in mind, when someone takes this offer, they’re not signing a two way or playing in the NBA at all that year. The entry rule for the Draft remains unchanged. So they’re going to be earning their draft position by playing against men 5-6 years older than they are (in most instances) who are desperately trying to earn a look from the NBA, same as they are…except they’ll be more physically and mentally mature in most cases. Again, in the long run, are you better off going this route and possibly being exposed or just simply shown to be not ready for grown man levels of play, or are you helped more by playing in college for a year? I think that’s going to be a calculation with multiple answers, depending upon the situation.

To me, it boils down to this…does the $125K “move the needle,” given the downsides (worse conditions for training/playing in most instances which negatively impacts draft status, etc.)? I’m not sure it does but we’ll begin to find out soon enough.

Well put.  I just can't envision a scenario where people are tuning into a G League game (are they even on anything other than NBA TV?) even if they had Zion Williamson type of players.  The games mean nothing, are played in front of a few thousand fans in cities like Fort Wayne, Canton, Westchester, and Sioux Falls to name a few, and don't even get any run time on ESPN.

Plus, a $125,000/yr contract paid out over 8 months to a year is a lot less sexy than a $125,000 cash bribe to a lot of these kids' handlers, especially because the former is taxed, while the latter is almost certainly not.

[Aeggie]

Depending on the level of prospect, the $125k for the G League year will be trivial because they'll be good enough to earn a big endorsement from one or more companies in that year to lock them up long term.

If you recall, LeBron James signed a $100M Nike deal before he played a single NBA game. Under this structure, a player that good could sign one or more endorsement deals in the tens of millions of dollars before they're eligible for the NBA Draft. For any player talented enough to get that kind of consideration, I don't think the year of marketing would be a big deal.

And maybe some marginal players could earn say a $1M shoe deal for five years if they're good enough to get one of these deals, which is a hedge that ends up being a big win for the shoe company if the player ends up being a Donovan Mitchell or a Devin Booker by the end of that term. I think that's the big part of this that people aren't fully considering, but we'll see what develops. There isn't a next LeBron on the horizon, even Bagley wouldn't have earned a $1M endorsement in such a G League structure I don't think but this could get the attention of marketers looking for deals.

[Uspshoosier]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article220418975.html
Brutal for Jontay Porter for Missouri. Tore Acl/Mcl in closed scrimmage


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