College Bball Thread

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Crean really f'd this one up. 

In the article, Gelon's high school coach says he has plenty of D1 options. So where were they? He's not transferring to a high major, a mid major, or any major. He's going to some godforsaken State Fair community college. That tells you all you need to know. 

Gelon had one year at a basketball mecca. I'm not saying he shouldn't be upset but he had a chance to prove he belonged and didn't get it done. Plenty of unranked  guys end up on Big Ten rosters and earn playing time. Grant didn't. Time to grow up and move on. 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I have NO problem with this. Archie gave him a chance to see what he could do, but most knew he was no where near talented enough. I would have killed for his oppurtunity knowing that Ancila where I played at isn't much worse than where he is going now. He had zero D1 interest. Kid is bitter and is gonna say all the things he can about us and Archie. He was Crean's guy. I wouldn't blame any coach for this with any player. He was still going to allow him to keep his scholly and go to school. What is the problem?

 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

This is exaxtly why I wanted Archie. He knows who can and can't play at this level. A shooter can't shoot if he can't do anything else. In Archie's defense I can't say a word cause like I posted awhile before this happened I would have done the same thing. 

 

[Hoosier Guy]

Gelon is saying all this to grab attention. He's trying to get people to feel sorry for him. Archie did what he had to do. This all goes back to Crean anyway

[Uspshoosier]

In the meeting Gelon told the new staff he deserved and felt he should of gotten more playing time last year(nothing wrong wih him feeling that way) CAM told him he didn't see that happening.  He asked for release to see what other major  programs would be interested.   No D1, D2, or even really good NAIA teams were interested so he went to State Fair community college.  This is all from a post by Rabjohns   

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Not to throw more gas on the fire, but Gelon wasn't even the best player on his HS team.   It's unfortunate for everyone concerned but it will be old news within a week.   I applaud Archie's openness and candor with Gelon.  And just how in the world did Gelon ever think he deserved more playing time?   If he didn't get more playing time from the coach who recruited him, what could possibly make him think a new coach would view him any differently?  I think his transfer to State Fair Community College tells us all we need to know.  

[LamarCheeks]

I grew up in The Region and initially, was excited to see that Gelon was gonna be a Hoosier. But it became pretty clear he just didn't have the skill set to be a B1G player. Crean reached just a little too far on this one. Yes, he found some good under-the-radar talent in guys like Oladipo and Sheehey, but when he took flyers on those guys, we were still working our way back into national prominence after a couple really dark years. And they had abilities that Gelon just doesn't. He offered Gelon at a time when really, we needed to be aiming higher. I have a feeling that despite what his coach said, the D-1 options are few and far between. I hope he does well, but it just seemed that clearly, he was not a Power 5-conference type player. 

[JSHoosier]

The quotes from his parents don't sound good, but I wouldn't really expect them to.  The quotes from Campbell made IU sound better.  As always there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in between.

I imagine there are plenty of times when a player transfers from a program and feels they were misled or not supported.

[BGleas]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

I grew up in The Region and initially, was excited to see that Gelon was gonna be a Hoosier. But it became pretty clear he just didn't have the skill set to be a B1G player. Crean reached just a little too far on this one. Yes, he found some good under-the-radar talent in guys like Oladipo and Sheehey, but when he took flyers on those guys, we were still working our way back into national prominence after a couple really dark years. And they had abilities that Gelon just doesn't. He offered Gelon at a time when really, we needed to be aiming higher. I have a feeling that despite what his coach said, the D-1 options are few and far between. I hope he does well, but it just seemed that clearly, he was not a Power 5-conference type player. 

Big difference too though is that VO and Sheehey were top 150 guys, so while not 5* or 4* they were still nationally ranked recruits so I wouldn't exactly call them "flyers". Gelon is more in the Priller, April, Zeisloft, etc. group. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Ethan Lasko

Florida Vipers AAU

6'2" 175 combo guard.  Walk on.

HS#s 25 ppg, 2.7 apg, 3.7 rpg, 2.9 spg 

 

watched his videos.  Good job staff.  Couple of good walk on guards with this guy and Vijay Blackmon.  

[Josh]

I always thought Crean offered Gelon because some fans insisted on getting a kid from Indiana.  When Gelon signed, those fans cheered an Indiana player that would help us out simply because he's from the state.

Turns out he just wasn't very good.  But because he had many many people telling him he was a better player than other kids from out of state, his head got big.  This is what worries me about Indiana high school players.  Some fans are convinced that they must be so much better than kids from other states, that it gets into these kids heads.  I don't like that culture and I'm not surprised that this Gelon experiment turned into a mess.

[Uspshoosier]

22 minutes ago, Josh said:

I always thought Crean offered Gelon because some fans insisted on getting a kid from Indiana.  When Gelon signed, those fans cheered an Indiana player that would help us out simply because he's from the state.

Turns out he just wasn't very good.  But because he had many many people telling him he was a better player than other kids from out of state, his head got big.  This is what worries me about Indiana high school players.  Some fans are convinced that they must be so much better than kids from other states, that it gets into these kids heads.  I don't like that culture and I'm not surprised that this Gelon experiment turned into a mess.

This isn't just an Indiana high school problem.   I'm sure there are plenty of players out of state with people in their ear that they are better then they really are.  I'm sure every state school deals with this when they recruit in state kids.  There will always be people on both sides of the argument.  If u go to Illinois, Missouri, Michigan boards u will see the same argument when it comes to recruiting instate kids.   Just like with nationally recruited kids some work out and others dont.   Nature of the business of recruiting 

[Josh]

12 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

This isn't just an Indiana high school problem.   I'm sure here are plenty of players out of state with people in their ear that they are better then they really are.  I'm sure every state school deals with this when they recruit in state kids.  There will always be people on both sides of the argument.  If u go to Illinois, Missouri, Michigan boards u will see the same argument when it comes to recruiting instate kids.   Just like with nationally recruited kids some work out and others dont.   Nature of the business of recruiting 

Absolutely.  It happens everywhere, but I don't think it's to the level of Indiana fans.  

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

Absolutely.  It happens everywhere, but I don't think it's to the level of Indiana fans.  

I think it might seem that way because you are an Indiana fan and interact with other Indiana fans on this topic on an Indiana message board.   I agree IU fans are on another level then the fans I mentioned but I would say IU fans are on the same level as other hot bed recruiting areas (New York, California, DC area) in wanting to keep the talent locally at their respected in state schools 

[Josh]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

I think it might seem that way because you are an Indiana fan and interact with other Indiana fans on this topic on an Indiana message board.   I agree IU fans are on another level then the fans I mentioned but I would say IU fans are on the same level as other hot bed recruiting areas (New York, California, DC area) in wanting to keep the talent locally at their respected in state schools 

Maybe so, but I haven't lived in Indiana in 13 years.  So while I may spend time on this board, most sports conversations come to me from very different fanbases on a daily basis.

 

 I understand wanting to keep talent local.  But I've never heard other fanbases say that their high school players are better than somewhere else's simply because they're local.  It's a faction I don't see most other places.   That's all I'm saying.

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

Maybe so, but I haven't lived in Indiana in 13 years.  So while I may spend time on this board, most sports conversations come to me from very different fanbases on a daily basis.

 

 I understand wanting to keep talent local.  But I've never heard other fanbases say that their high school players are better than somewhere else's simply because they're local.  It's a faction I don't see most other places.   That's all I'm saying.

That's U nderstandable. I would say most of it comes from articles breaking down Indiana as being a hotbed for recruiting talent and graphs that show the amount of D1 players that come from a smaller area compared to other areas nationally.  And I'm sure others are just loyal to their loca kids blindly regardless of what facts say.  I've interacted with plenty of other fan bases that blindly think there high school players are better just because if where they came from.   The New York area for example think they are the capital of elite point guards 

[GnarlyNormEllenberger]

RE: the Grant Gelon article

Are he and his parents that naive? Really? Listen, I don't blame a kid wanting to chase his dreams and attempt to play high-level basketball at a storied program like Indiana. But let's be real, he had other scholarships from places like Western Michigan, Iona, IUPUI and Illinois-Chicago. The Indiana offer was a BLATANT outlier. It was an uphill climb for him to ever be successful as a basketball player at IU. He played in only 12 games last year, mostly mop-up minutes. He wasn't anywhere close to being an on-court contributor. So the Gelon camp is surprised because a new coach has come in and doesn't see Gelon making an impact as a competitive player on the team? Again, let's not be naive.

Crean reached on Gelon. And it wasn't a reach like Oladipo or OG. Those guys had other Power 5 offers. This was a reach like with Priller (and how much of an on-court effect has he had?) As many have said before, Crean often tried to out-think the room and the offer to Gelon was proof of this. It was a major risk and it was highly unlikely to pay off. In some ways, I feel bad for Gelon in that Crean led him to believe he was something that he wasn't. But then again, the moment Crean was fired, Gelon as well as another player on the team HAD to REALISTICALLY understand the next coach may not believe they were worthy of an athletic scholarship on the team.

All this being said, he still was allowed to keep his academic scholarship to IU. And that's what was important. He could still get his IU degree. So, to be honest, I really don't care much what Archie said or whether or not he showed up for the meeting. Gelon could have kept his scholarship to IU as a student. He was covered, and rightfully so due to scholarship agreements. However, he left because he wanted to play (which is understandable.) But that was his choice. He signed scholarship papers when he commited, not playing time papers. You're not guaranteed playing time anywhere in college athletics. This isn't Little League.

The fact is, you could have seen this coming the moment he committed. And truth be told, I'm a little surprised it didn't happen to another one of our guys as well.

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, GnarlyTimGarl said:

He signed scholarship papers when he commited, not playing time papers. 

 

That's a great line!

 

[cthomas]

The Gelon decision only strengthens my belief we hired the right guy to run the program.

[OliviaPope40]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/mitchell-robinson-reportedly-considers-sitting-out-season/1szofx41bgegy182gtrpje3qkx

Interesting approach that he is wanting to take. Wonder why he would want to skip the season?