How Is Darian Devries Doing?

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Sure. Maybe, but he was very specific

Yeah I watched that video interview on field of 68 after dark.  Seemed to me like a kid that had a hot game that said he felt if everything was going he felt his team could hang with anyone in the country and be top 10.   Nothing burger for me but as you said only my opinion 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Give these kids a lifetime memory

Him just playing at IU is lifetime memory. You could tell he and his family felt that way for the opportunity.   Would playing in the tourney be icing on the cake for him?  Yeah he deserves a tourney run 

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Maybe we rally and beat MSU and get back on the bubble

Still on the bubble now.   As always it’s a weak bubble.  Rally and beat MSU and they are probably back in the last 4 byes.  Expanding this field from 68 to whatever they are wanting will be a mistake.   Most bracketologist scrubbed today and couldn’t add teams to take out IU or Auburn (15-13) or even Ohio st.  

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Still on the bubble now.   As always it’s a weak bubble.  Rally and beat MSU and they are probably back in the last 4 byes.  Expanding this field from 68 to whatever they are wanting will be a mistake.   Most bracketologist scrubbed today and couldn’t add teams to take out IU or Auburn (15-13) or even Ohio st.  

If they go beyond 68 teams they might as well just make it like high school state tournaments: every single team makes it and tries to work their way out of districts.

[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

If they go beyond 68 teams they might as well just make it like high school state tournaments: every single team makes it and tries to work their way out of districts.

I mean in a sense it’s already that way with conference tourney autobids.  Just mandate every conference has to put all their teams on the tourney 

[IUHoosier5]

Get Nasir Anderson to pair with Chase Branham and then things are looking much better.

[BannerVille]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Still on the bubble now.   As always it’s a weak bubble.  Rally and beat MSU and they are probably back in the last 4 byes.  Expanding this field from 68 to whatever they are wanting will be a mistake.   Most bracketologist scrubbed today and couldn’t add teams to take out IU or Auburn (15-13) or even Ohio st.  

If they expand, it should be to include more small conference teams; especially regular season champions that get upset in the conference tournament.  We absolutely don't need more 8th place major conference teams.  IU has been the epitome of the bubble for years and while we as fans want to be in the tournament, none of those teams have truly DESERVED a bid.

[Uspshoosier]

6 hours ago, BannerVille said:

If they expand, it should be to include more small conference teams; especially regular season champions that get upset in the conference tournament.  We absolutely don't need more 8th place major conference teams.  IU has been the epitome of the bubble for years and while we as fans want to be in the tournament, none of those teams have truly DESERVED a bid.

Yeah that’s how it should be however they will go the route of whatever makes them the most money and unfortunately that means more middle of the pack mediocre power 5 teams.   Thats the whole reason these commissioners from the power conferences want it to expand.  More money 

[HoosierDevils]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah that’s how it should be however they will go the route of whatever makes them the most money and unfortunately that means more middle of the pack mediocre power 5 teams.   Thats the whole reason these commissioners from the power conferences want it to expand.  More money 

Yep, I feel last year in particular was pretty transparent with sub .500 SEC teams making it (“look at the volume good losses”) and ramming a brand having a clear down year like UNC into the first four. 

[Uspshoosier]

17 minutes ago, HoosierDevils said:

Yep, I feel last year in particular was pretty transparent with sub .500 SEC teams making it (“look at the volume good losses”) and ramming a brand having a clear down year like UNC into the first four. 

Been that way for awhile.  As far back as 87 power teams were getting in with under .500 records in conference.   Ohio st a couple years ago go in with 8-12 conference record.  IU that same year lost 12 of 13 games and finished 8-12 in conference as was 2nd team out of the tourney.   I would make rather see the Indiana St team that got screwed 2 years ago then a mid power teams 

[Golfman25]

It’s a good sign hearing that Ryan Carr interview.  Sounds like this was a strategic decision by CDdv and Dolson to bring in a specific guy for a specific job.   Like who do we know that can help with roster building in this new era and create a job for him.   So search firm, etc.  Just so happens they had a guy an hour away.   

[Aaron]

When evaluating a coach, the question needs to be 'would another coach do better with the current roster'. With Woodson and Archie the question was an unequivocal yes. With DeVries so far I think the answer is no with this group of players.

With that said, it is up to DeVries to build a roster that can compete in this league. I don't want to hear 'we were outbid for a player' once portal opens. Given the situation, DeVries needs to identify the players he want and fits this roster and pay whatever it costs to get them here. 

This offseason will be telling. If DeVries gets who he wants and wins next year, the answer is this roster is just hard to win with. If he struggles in the portal and has another poorly constructed roster, than the answer is all the money is being diverted to football and the program doesn't have the resources it needs. If he gets a well constructed roster and still struggles it means another bad coach was hired. 

Offseason will be telling.

[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

When evaluating a coach, the question needs to be 'would another coach do better with the current roster'. With Woodson and Archie the question was an unequivocal yes. With DeVries so far I think the answer is no with this group of players.

With that said, it is up to DeVries to build a roster that can compete in this league. I don't want to hear 'we were outbid for a player' once portal opens. Given the situation, DeVries needs to identify the players he want and fits this roster and pay whatever it costs to get them here. 

This offseason will be telling. If DeVries gets who he wants and wins next year, the answer is this roster is just hard to win with. If he struggles in the portal and has another poorly constructed roster, than the answer is all the money is being diverted to football and the program doesn't have the resources it needs. If he gets a well constructed roster and still struggles it means another bad coach was hired. 

Offseason will be telling.

The highlighted has another possible explanation. Another poorly constructed roster could also be the coach and staff. Identifying what is needed, talent evaluation, and being able to land those players are all on the coaching staff.

[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

The highlighted has another possible explanation. Another poorly constructed roster could also be the coach and staff. Identifying what is needed, talent evaluation, and being able to land those players are all on the coaching staff.

Yeah that screams “excuses” if it happens. IU basketball will never, ever be under-funded. Football is getting a massive haul, but it won’t be at the expense of basketball. Any basketball “deficit” will only be because people are tired of setting their money on fire for an inept program. 

[HoosierDevils]

4 hours ago, Aaron said:

When evaluating a coach, the question needs to be 'would another coach do better with the current roster'. With Woodson and Archie the question was an unequivocal yes. With DeVries so far I think the answer is no with this group of players.

With that said, it is up to DeVries to build a roster that can compete in this league. I don't want to hear 'we were outbid for a player' once portal opens. Given the situation, DeVries needs to identify the players he want and fits this roster and pay whatever it costs to get them here. 

This offseason will be telling. If DeVries gets who he wants and wins next year, the answer is this roster is just hard to win with. If he struggles in the portal and has another poorly constructed roster, than the answer is all the money is being diverted to football and the program doesn't have the resources it needs. If he gets a well constructed roster and still struggles it means another bad coach was hired. 

Offseason will be telling.

Interesting point. Not referring to this team or any other, but just as a general point: I think roster construction, portal management, and recruiting/development is part college coaching, and I don’t think it makes sense to take a roster as a given and then compare coaches. The roster is a reflection of the coach, what they’re trying to do, their strategy, their skill, etc. “Conditional on having this roster, who would do better” is meaningless because rosters are constructed by the coach to play the way the coach wants/is good at — it’s endogenous 

[Jeff Flabjohns]

I believe in Ryan Carr

[Josh]

This is such bad basketball.  I don't understand how anybody can watch Dolson/Devries basketball and think this will ever work

[Brass Cannon]

6 hours ago, Aaron said:

When evaluating a coach, the question needs to be 'would another coach do better with the current roster'. With Woodson and Archie the question was an unequivocal yes. With DeVries so far I think the answer is no with this group of players.

With that said, it is up to DeVries to build a roster that can compete in this league. I don't want to hear 'we were outbid for a player' once portal opens. Given the situation, DeVries needs to identify the players he want and fits this roster and pay whatever it costs to get them here. 

This offseason will be telling. If DeVries gets who he wants and wins next year, the answer is this roster is just hard to win with. If he struggles in the portal and has another poorly constructed roster, than the answer is all the money is being diverted to football and the program doesn't have the resources it needs. If he gets a well constructed roster and still struggles it means another bad coach was hired. 

Offseason will be telling.

I don’t think you can do that “would a different coach do any better with this” roster exercise since part of the problem is he made the roster. 

[Brass Cannon]

Imagine telling somebody in 2005 we would win a national championship in football before we won a sweet sixteen game again.  And they the team would have kids who weren’t even born yet on it 

[EasyEJay]

They might beat Minn this week then will lose at OSU then will go 0-1 at the BTT . So they will finish 18-14 and 9-11 in Big Ten play . 1 ranked win vs Purdue .

 

Year 1 of Archie Miller 16-15 9-9 in the Big Ten . 1 win over a ranked team with no portal or NIL
 

I mean the ISU and IPFW losses at home were bad but really should we feel that much better about year 1 of DD ?