How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[CSP]

11 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Bailey's NIL was like lighting  $1-2M on fire, TDV has not played to up to his NIL cost, he has contributed as much as he can with great effort but he is just way too slow for the B1G. Conerway, Enright, Alexis have been about as expected. Wilkerson's replacement is the biggest concern for me. 

Hasnt TDV been like the most valuable player to any team, in comparison to when he's on the bench, as any player in the country? 

I don't agree on TDV. 

But.. the discussion isn't just about the players on the roster.. its who we could have even gotten instead... 

Regardless, as stated, we will have gobs of money to spend and not nearly the need to find a complete roster. 

[fwgreenway]

13 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I think it's too soon to say next year looks more promising already, but there's plenty of good reason to believe it should and will be better.

6 seniors departing, 3 freshmen coming in. Should have plenty of funds for the portal. And a full strength staff.

Dorn is the only returning starter. Hopefully Sisley improves a lot over the offseason. Don't know if we can count on him taking a big enough step to be a starter or not. Miles likely also will have a bigger role, but probably not as a starter right away.

PAM may be in the rotation as a freshman. Manhertz probably redshirting? Maybe Karvala too (maybe not)...

Then there's Harris/Andrej and Drake/Ristic. You probably need at least one of each pairing to be able to play off the bench. If we need to free up scholarships for the portal, I'd think it comes out of this group. Assuming these guys can be serviceable, the bench is in fine shape and plenty of dough to add difference makers in the portal. 

1 - PG transfer

2 - CG transfer 

3 - Dorn 

4 - Stretch big transfer

5 - C transfer 

Bench: Sisley, Miles, PAM, Andrej/Harris, Ristic/Drake

With the freshmen, if we add 4 transfers, someone needs to transfer out. If we add 3 transfers, we probably need Sisley, Miles or Harris to surprise us and step up as a starter. 

This is good logical thinking and covers the overall well. The one ? mark I haven't seen considered is player transfer/s with the roster from this yr to next. Maybe no one leaves, but we know that's always a possibility and might slow the building of this program. Or....may help?

[fwgreenway]

Sorry didn't see "someone needs to transfer out."

[CSP]

38 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I think it's too soon to say next year looks more promising already, but there's plenty of good reason to believe it should and will be better.

6 seniors departing, 3 freshmen coming in. Should have plenty of funds for the portal. And a full strength staff.

Dorn is the only returning starter. Hopefully Sisley improves a lot over the offseason. Don't know if we can count on him taking a big enough step to be a starter or not. Miles likely also will have a bigger role, but probably not as a starter right away.

PAM may be in the rotation as a freshman. Manhertz probably redshirting? Maybe Karvala too (maybe not)...

Then there's Harris/Andrej and Drake/Ristic. You probably need at least one of each pairing to be able to play off the bench. If we need to free up scholarships for the portal, I'd think it comes out of this group. Assuming these guys can be serviceable, the bench is in fine shape and plenty of dough to add difference makers in the portal. 

1 - PG transfer

2 - CG transfer 

3 - Dorn 

4 - Stretch big transfer

5 - C transfer 

Bench: Sisley, Miles, PAM, Andrej/Harris, Ristic/Drake

With the freshmen, if we add 4 transfers, someone needs to transfer out. If we add 3 transfers, we probably need Sisley, Miles or Harris to surprise us and step up as a starter. 

I think Sisley starts at the 4 next year and it wouldn't surprise me if Harris is the 5. Then you go spend gobs of 1+2 out of the portal. 

[Hoosier987]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

Bailey's NIL was like lighting  $1-2M on fire, TDV has not played to up to his NIL cost, he has contributed as much as he can with great effort but he is just way too slow for the B1G. Conerway, Enright, Alexis have been about as expected. Wilkerson's replacement is the biggest concern for me. 

This team is one good big away from being a Final Four contender imo. Bailey is a back up in this conference...however, we have 5 scholarship players, not named Bailey, on this team that provide no production. Imagine, replacing a couple  of those players with a formidable big man. We would be very dangerous. 

[Hoosier987]

26 minutes ago, CSP said:

I think Sisley starts at the 4 next year and it wouldn't surprise me if Harris is the 5. Then you go spend gobs of 1+2 out of the portal. 

Harris has zero experience playing High Major basketball. We don't know how his game, if at all, will translate to Big Ten basketball/High Major...see Bailey as an example. In this era of college basketball, we don't even know if he will be on the team next year. He likely is not going to be our starting 5. My guess is after spending a year in the Big Ten, Devries is going to go after a strong Big to go against some of the 7' + centers we face in league. 

 

Sisley is also averaging about 3 minutes a game of recent. It would take a lot of off season progress for Trent to go from playing 3 minutes a game to being a full time starter in 1 year time.  My guess is barring tremendous improvement, he won't be starting either. Rotational Player? Yes. 

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Harris has zero experience playing High Major basketball. We don't know how his game, if at all, will translate to Big Ten basketball/High Major...see Bailey as an example. In this era of college basketball, we don't even know if he will be on the team next year. He likely is not going to be our starting 5. 

I'd say the coaching stuff does. We are just fans. 

Harris vs "high major" teams last season as a true FR.... vs. South Carolina (game 1)-- 4pts 3 rebs ---15 mins

vs. Ga Tech (game 3)-- 22pts 7 rebs-- 28 mins

vs UGA (game 4)--- 12pts 6 rebs-- 20 mins

vs Nebraska (game 8)-- 8pts 4 rebs-- 15 mins

 

I never mentioned the likelihood of him starting at the 5. I said it wouldn't surprise me. Reed Bailey has no impact on Josh Harris, factually. 

[IUCrazy2]

7 minutes ago, CSP said:

I'd say the coaching stuff does. We are just fans. 

Harris vs "high major" teams last season as a true FR.... vs. South Carolina (game 1)-- 4pts 3 rebs ---15 mins

vs. Ga Tech (game 3)-- 22pts 7 rebs-- 28 mins

vs UGA (game 4)--- 12pts 6 rebs-- 20 mins

vs Nebraska (game 8)-- 8pts 4 rebs-- 15 mins

 

I never mentioned the likelihood of him starting at the 5. I said it wouldn't surprise me. Reed Bailey has no impact on Josh Harris, factually. 

Did he play center in those games?  Any chance he could play the 4?  I would be trying to develop an outside shot for him.  Having an athletic stretch 4 and then a true banger is the way to go IMO.  You put Sisley in that mix too and you could go small ball when you need. If Dorn continues to develop you put him at the 3.  Then you are looking at adding a few guards IMO.  The two positions I would pay bigger money for are PG and C.

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Did he play center in those games?  Any chance he could play the 4?  I would be trying to develop an outside shot for him.  Having an athletic stretch 4 and then a true banger is the way to go IMO.  You put Sisley in that mix too and you could go small ball when you need. If Dorn continues to develop you put him at the 3.  Then you are looking at adding a few guards IMO.  The two positions I would pay bigger money for are PG and C.

I think he's a 5 in the way we run offense... rebounding rate was pretty solid as a FR. But yes, he was the 5. 

I think Harris, Sisley, Dorn would give you immense switch ability defensively, too. 

[AH1971]

Need somebody taller than 6'8 as your starting center in this league. No chance Josh Harris starts next year, would be negligible if he did, especially after missing the entire season. 

I'm intrigued by Daniel Freitag and Preston Edmead as lead guards next year, both of the PG variety. Freitag is a former ~top 100 recruit who briefly played at Wisconsin as a freshman and is averaging 20 ppg and shooting 38% from 3 on volume as a sophomore at Buffalo. Edmead is averaging 15 ppg as a true freshman at Hofstra shooting 40% from 3 on a whopping 7 attempts per game. I'd imagine both will be portaling this year. 

I like Zion Sensley from UC-Santa Barbara as a 4 man. 6'8 with a 7'+ wing span and is freakishly athletic. Has one of the best DReb% in the country and is a 38% 3 point shooter. Need a 6'10, 6'11 banger who can rebound and block shots as your 5 man.

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Need somebody taller than 6'8 as your starting center in this league. No chance Josh Harris starts next year, would be negligible if he did, especially after missing the entire season. 

I'm intrigued by Daniel Freitag and Preston Edmead as lead guards next year, both of the PG variety. Freitag is a former ~top 100 recruit who briefly played at Wisconsin as a freshman and is averaging 20 ppg and shooting 38% from 3 on volume as a sophomore at Buffalo. Edmead is averaging 15 ppg as a true freshman at Hofstra shooting 40% from 3 on a whopping 7 attempts per game. I'd imagine both will be portaling this year. 

I like Zion Sensley from UC-Santa Barbara as a 4 man. 6'8 with a 7'+ wing span and is freakishly athletic. Has one of the best DReb% in the country and is a 38% 3 point shooter. Need a 6'10, 6'11 banger who can rebound and block shots as your 5 man.

what's "in this league" mean/matter? Doesn't Michigan start two 6'9 guys now? We have no clue who starts or what would be negligible.  

Harris off the bench would be great. I have no clue, I just don't have issue if he's our guy to start at the 5.. He'll be a 20/21yr old RS SO, not an 18/19 yr old true FR. 

[Home Jersey]

Hard for me to pencil in Harris as a starter or serious contributor next year having never watched him play here. It's certainly possible he could earn his way into the starting lineup/rotation, but hard to envision that being the plan heading into the portal. If he can contribute, that would really strengthen the bench and help our money go further in the portal.

I'd think Andrej, with enough focus on his conditioning especially, could be a surprise starter next year. Major emphasis on "could." I wouldn't bank on it, but easier for me to picture that as the plan than Harris.

I think we need to add at least one proven front court talent and definitely a starting backcourt. Stylistically, wonder if they'd want a 5 that's closer to Ballo or Ware.

Will be interesting to see if the staff decides they need to "Crean" somebody or not. Going to be a big offseason. Hopefully we head into it with some serious momentum.

[AH1971]

10 minutes ago, CSP said:

what's "in this league" mean/matter? Doesn't Michigan start two 6'9 guys now? We have no clue who starts or what would be negligible.  

Harris off the bench would be great. I have no clue, I just don't have issue if he's our guy to start at the 5.. He'll be a 20/21yr old RS SO, not an 18/19 yr old true FR. 

In the B10, obviously. And Michigan’s 3 and 4 are 6’9,  their 5 is 7’1 and one of the better rim protectors on the country.

[Jeff Flabjohns]

Yeah, Mara is 7’3 and been blocking everything this year.

Talented bigs are going to jump at the chance to play for Dusty

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Jeff Flabjohns said:

Yeah, Mara is 7’3 and been blocking everything this year.

Talented bigs are going to jump at the chance to play for Dusty

he and painter can fight over them lol 

[str8baller]

6 hours ago, CSP said:

I'd say the coaching stuff does. We are just fans. 

Harris vs "high major" teams last season as a true FR.... vs. South Carolina (game 1)-- 4pts 3 rebs ---15 mins

vs. Ga Tech (game 3)-- 22pts 7 rebs-- 28 mins

vs UGA (game 4)--- 12pts 6 rebs-- 20 mins

vs Nebraska (game 8)-- 8pts 4 rebs-- 15 mins

 

I never mentioned the likelihood of him starting at the 5. I said it wouldn't surprise me. Reed Bailey has no impact on Josh Harris, factually. 

While those numbers are encouraging, Reed Bailey put up similar numbers last year vs high majors.  
 

If CDD likes him as a suitable backup that at least eats up some mins. 

[str8baller]

7 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

Sisley is also averaging about 3 minutes a game of recent. It would take a lot of off season progress for Trent to go from playing 3 minutes a game to being a full time starter in 1 year time.  My guess is barring tremendous improvement, he won't be starting either. Rotational Player? Yes. 

Yea, how Sisley and Miles play out makes a big difference in our spend. After this year nobody should be offering them big money to transfer (although either could for PT purposes). 
 

Sisley looks like a guy who could be pushing an all-conf team as a senior. But as a sophomore…hard to tell. He’s currently lost most of his rotation mins but obviously coach still likes him and plays him at the end of games. I wouldn’t be surprised if either him or Miles busted it all off season and one started next year, but I would be worried if the staff was counting on it. 

[Artie86]

 

I love this quote in a recent Sports Illustrated article interview of Coach DeVries…..

Coach DeVries is completely transparent in his explanation and admits that he feels he and his coaches “messed up/overlooked” a player’s utilization,(Sam Alexis)…. He and his coaching staff worked together and made a change.

Coach Woodson would have said, “ It’s my job and it’s on me to get these players ready to play better and get them over the hump….!”

We all know this statement was repeated countless times after a poor performance followed up by the same results.

 

[iu eyedoc]

50 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

 

 

I love this quote in a recent Sports Illustrated article interview of Coach DeVries…..

Coach DeVries is completely transparent in his explanation and admits that he feels he and his coaches “messed up/overlooked” a player’s utilization,(Sam Alexis)…. He and his coaching staff worked together and made a change.

Coach Woodson would have said, “ It’s my job and it’s on me to get these players ready to play better and get them over the hump….!”

We all know this statement was repeated countless times after a poor performance followed up by the same results.

 

Just came to post that exact passage. Sure is refreshing to have a coach with enough self confidence to admit to an error in judgment and be willing to self scout.

[HoosierMatty]

One thing I really have to tip my hat to on coach DeVries is the fact he's willing to make changes as the season goes on. And in the instance with Alexis he's transparent about making a mistake. When was the last time you can remember a coach at IU make changes as the year goes on. They would just keep running the same stuff that doesn't work into the ground .

 

Even in the recent press conference when talking about bringing back Connerway he said he's going to basically keep Dorn in the starting lineup and just work Tayton in where it makes sense.

I know this seems like a low bar but it's just a nice change of pace after all the stubborn coaches we've had.

If Woodson was the coach he would have immediately put him back in the starting line up.