Fire Darian DeVries? Lol

[Josh]

1 hour ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Lol. WE HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH NO PLAN! BUT WE'LL THINK IF SOMETHING, GUYS!

Wait, it....kind of seems like that's what we just did, right? And you don't like where were at? It also seems like the evidence for your opinion is the opinion itself, having zero idea of any kind of solution to back yourself up. Do you also quit jobs before you have another lined up? Because that's responsible.

I get it. It sucks to lose. But it sucks worse to lose and throw a constant temper tantrum about it instead of having some wits about you.

Say whatever else you want, but I've got nothing else for you. I won't change your mind and you sure as heck won't change mine.

You are really great at deflecting and making up facts about people to suit your narrative. 

I never said to fire him with no plan.  I've worked at the same company for 16 years.  

You said you have facts of places that have fired people early and suffered from not getting a good coach.  Then you provided nothing except a theory of future events.  You honestly have brought nothing but fear mongering, hand wringing, and making up facts about other people.

Then you try to talk to me about having wits?

Lol, you really are precious.  You think you're smart.  Good luck with that.

[Josh]

8 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Maybe we should stop hiring coaches; have the AD buy a team, just let trainers and GAs run practices, and let OpenAI manage our in game rotations and sets.

Uhh the AD thought Devries was a good idea.  Can we have somebody else do it instead?

[8bucks]

13 minutes ago, Josh said:

Uhh the AD thought Devries was a good idea.  Can we have somebody else do it instead?

I wonder if he (Dolson) get caught up in the Cig success and thought DD was potentially the basketball version. I doubt he knew none of his primary staff or players would him.  I bet he looked at the success he had when the Dolson was at their games and thought he seems to get it done which may be true but the having to completely rebuild the staff and roster made this an unnecessarily harder task. Now combine that with a middle of the pack NIL and a meh year 1 and he may not be able to overcome this, even if he is a good coach. 

[ronzo4IU]

5 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Definitely getting a lot of Archie vibes with DeVries.  The concern when hired from pundits like the Field of 68 was did he have the right personality for a pressure cooker gig.  I think we're learning that the answer is no.  Amazing that the administration keeps making the same mistakes.  And yes, almost everyone wanted McCollum. 

He is way more nice/engaging than Archie but doesn’t seem to be an Alpha that I think we need at the helm.

Has a good track record but might have been more comfortable as an assistant.  Maybe why he stayed 17 years @ Creighton.  Thats a lot of years as an assistant.

[ronzo4IU]

4 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

It will be INDIANA, because even though it's a mess, it's one that can still get worse. 

By the way, you never told me who you would hire right now that checks all the Josh boxes, is available, wants this horrific job in place of a better situation they're already in (otherwise we wouldn't be begging them), and how we pay for it without digging a financial hole next to our PR hole.

By all means, feel free to elaborate. You're always the first to complain around here but one of the last to offer a truly realistic solution. So for a high profile athletic program and the human being put on the hot seat as soon as he says 'yes', offer something that works right now, or even on your March 8th timeline.

There are two ways to make a bad situation worse: stay in it too long, which we have accomplished ad nauseum, or have an absolute freak out when magic doesn't occur 18 games in and set things on fire mid-tantrum. You are #2. No one around here is asking for him to get a 4 year cycle. No one. Just because I don't see value in firing him year 1 doesn't equate to seeing value in keeping him 4+ years. Honestly if he doesn't produce notable improvement in a second year, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable.

'But we aren't seeeererious!!!' if we keep a coach longer than a year, right? A program can convince themselves they're serious on the inside and still look like (and BE) a dumpster fire to everyone else at the same time. 

Maybe we should go to hiring an up and coming coach with a ton of energy on a year to year contract with no buy out. It’s a chance for a smaller salary coach to at least get rich overnight.  

IU could never be a bad coaching gig if a coach leaves here with several million in the bank I would imagine.

[Goober]

Guys I feel like a 15 year track record is a big enough sample size. We should realize where IU basketball is in the national scene. Not sure why anyone thinks it will change in the near future.

If you want to watch good basketball, watch Michigan or Purdue. I’m very sorry about this but it’s reality.

[str8baller]

43 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Coaching basketball at Indiana can't possibly be as hard as we've made it look the past two decades. 

Nothing can be that hard. 
 

German refugee physicists alerted the US to the Nazi nuclear program in the 30’s. We started the Manhattan project in ‘41 and bombed Hiroshima with a functional atom bomb in ‘45. Four years to split the atom.  
 

The soviets launched a satellite in ‘57 starting the space race. We successfully landed on the moon, ending said “race”, in ‘69. Twelve years start to finish to put a man on an extraterrestrial planet.  
 

IU basketball returning to competence (never mind glory): an inconceivably complex riddle wrapped in an enigma that requires so much PATIENCE we’re now entering something like our third full decade.  
 

IU BASKETBALL: More complex than nuclear physics and space travel. Feel the excitement!!!

[raorIU]

5 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

It will be INDIANA, because even though it's a mess, it's one that can still get worse. 

By the way, you never told me who you would hire right now that checks all the Josh boxes, is available, wants this horrific job in place of a better situation they're already in (otherwise we wouldn't be begging them), and how we pay for it without digging a financial hole next to our PR hole.

By all means, feel free to elaborate. You're always the first to complain around here but one of the last to offer a truly realistic solution. So for a high profile athletic program and the human being put on the hot seat as soon as he says 'yes', offer something that works right now, or even on your March 8th timeline.

There are two ways to make a bad situation worse: stay in it too long, which we have accomplished ad nauseum, or have an absolute freak out when magic doesn't occur 18 games in and set things on fire mid-tantrum. You are #2. No one around here is asking for him to get a 4 year cycle. No one. Just because I don't see value in firing him year 1 doesn't equate to seeing value in keeping him 4+ years. Honestly if he doesn't produce notable improvement in a second year, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable.

'But we aren't seeeererious!!!' if we keep a coach longer than a year, right? A program can convince themselves they're serious on the inside and still look like (and BE) a dumpster fire to everyone else at the same time. 

The start of any process to reach a solution begins with clearly defining the problem. The point of this thread - per it's title - is not "how to fix IU". Rather, the point of this thread is calling out and discussing the scenario where DDV is the problem.

[wirenuts]

This thread can get to 1000 pages and IU isnt going to fire DD in one year. Look at past history. He will get probably 3 years minimum. Thats how this administration rolls and they have proven it time and time again

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

This thread can get to 1000 pages and IU isnt going to fire DD in one year. Look at past history. He will get probably 3 years minimum. Thats how this administration rolls and they have proven it time and time again

That’s how EVERY administration rolls. Absent real misconduct, it would be malpractice to not give a coach three years.

[Hoosier987]

This thread is pointless 18 games in. I do think DeVries can turn it around…with that said, talent evaluation HAS to be better. As noted in the other thread, whichever coach thought Bailey could win games for us, frankly should never recruit for us again. 

[8bucks]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

That’s how EVERY administration rolls. Absent real misconduct, it would be malpractice to not give a coach three years.

I am not sure about the 3 years. If next year is an improvement from this year then probably but if the same or worse then I don’t think year 3 is guaranteed.
 

Personally I think Dolson finds a way to get a lot more NIL money for next year so that can buy DD and himself more time. 
 

 

[str8baller]

27 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

This thread can get to 1000 pages and IU isnt going to fire DD in one year. Look at past history. He will get probably 3 years minimum. Thats how this administration rolls and they have proven it time and time again

He’ll get 4yrs at IU at a minimum. 
 

But that’s not how everyone rolls. Gillespie was fired after 2 at UK. Doherty after 3 at UNC. Most schools give 4-5 years though. 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

He’ll get 4yrs at IU at a minimum. 
 

But that’s not how everyone rolls. Gillespie was fired after 2 at UK. Doherty after 3 at UNC. Most schools give 4-5 years though. 

I think Gillispie was fired for misconduct—drunk and disorderly, at least in part.

If Doherty got three then everyone gets three because he was an epic disaster.

[LamarCheeks]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

I think Billie G was fired for misconduct—drunk and disorderly, at least in part.

If Doherty got three then everyone gets three because he was an epic disaster.

Billy Clyde was somewhat easy to fire, too. If memory serves, for some reason, wherever he went, he would never sign his contract. 

[Pagoda]

9 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

This thread is pointless 18 games in. I do think DeVries can turn it around…with that said, talent evaluation HAS to be better. As noted in the other thread, whichever coach thought Bailey could win games for us, frankly should never recruit for us again. 

Yea.  CDD is not getting fired after one year.

Kind of pointless to have a thread with a bunch of fights over a hypothetical with zero chance of happening.  Woof.

Once we see how year two goes this topic could become worth debating.  Hopefully not, but things will need to improve quite a bit here.

I am in favor of firing sooner rather than later every time.  But after one year?  No way.  And it also makes no financial sense/is not financially possible anyways.

[Josh]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

I think Gillispie was fired for misconduct—drunk and disorderly, at least in part.

I think they wanted to find a reason so they did.  

[Asha’man]

This threat title should change. He isn’t being fired and while it was funny because of the challenge in the game chat to make it, it’s not appropriate at this point. We all know there are roster problems and that’s the key issue. Things aren’t getting fixed and we will miss the NCAA because of the limitations of the roster. The fanbase needs to be supportive and not eat their own. Cignetti is a wonder but he is a one of a kind. The Florida coach took 3 years to get going in the NIL era. UConn took years to get going. Year 1 was at best a bubble team and we are still top 40 in Kenpom. Not where we want to be but expected. People need to give DeVries a legitimate change. Critique sure, but we shouldn’t be calling for his head. 

[str8baller]

4 hours ago, Asha’man said:

This threat title should change. He isn’t being fired and while it was funny because of the challenge in the game chat to make it, it’s not appropriate at this point. We all know there are roster problems and that’s the key issue. Things aren’t getting fixed and we will miss the NCAA because of the limitations of the roster. The fanbase needs to be supportive and not eat their own. Cignetti is a wonder but he is a one of a kind. The Florida coach took 3 years to get going in the NIL era. UConn took years to get going. Year 1 was at best a bubble team and we are still top 40 in Kenpom. Not where we want to be but expected. People need to give DeVries a legitimate change. Critique sure, but we shouldn’t be calling for his head. 

You’re giving up on this team making the tournament? 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

You’re giving up on this team making the tournament? 

You're not?  :)