(2027) WR Monshun Sales

[CSP]

16 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

@jermhoosierfan, yeah like @Stuhoo mentioned, it's Lawrence North High School. Omar Cooper Jr., Davion Chandler, Monshun Sales, and now Ethan Adbulraheem all have been offered and/or on or have been on the IUFB roster. It's most definitely a trend. I see this as all very good for IUFB.

 

12 minutes ago, jermhoosierfan said:

IU needs to keep the top talent in the state be it BBall, FBall, Baseball or anything.

 

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Down the road if there's a staff opening, probably need to explore hiring whoever is responsible for developing all of these very high-level Lawrence North receivers. There is athletic talent everywhere, but Lawrence North is a public high school that is repeatedly churning out four and five star high school talent at one specific position.

edit: Lawrence North's Head Coach is former IU O-lineman Patrick Mallory (no relation to Bill Mallory). A guy on the rise  with full IU connections and loyalty.

So YAY!

MIC/HCC are just so legit in football and really all sports. 

The schools that are in those conferences are absolute MONSTER high schools..... 

 

A quick reference point--- in OH the largest HS is 3500 kids, followed by by 2800, but only 7 total with 2500 or more. 

There are 4 HSs in Indiana with more than the largest OH school, and another 3-4 with basically the same amount. 

In Indiana, there are 20 HS with more than 2500 kids-- 15 of those 20 are members of these two conferences. Zionsville, another member of these conferences has 2300. When the Terre Haute school combine-- that'll make another school larger than 2500, easily. There are 56 HSs in the state of Indiana with more than 1500 kids... 

All of these numbers don't include Cathedral--- who takes a back seat to very few teams in the Midwest in terms of talent/D1 athletes. Xavier Booker, Pete Werner, Danny O'Neil, Terry McLaurin... 

Furthermore-- the socio economics are MANY of these schools are absolutely ELITE. Carmel, Zionsville, Noblesville, HSE, Fishers, Avon, Brownsburg, Westfield, and Center Grove. And while LN, LC, NC, BD, and WC all have some rough parts-- they still have plenty of money, too. Again, MASSIVE enrollments... and again, in terms of just sheer talent. Cathedral is in this grouping, as well, they just don't have the school enrollment. 

 

I don't think it's coaching at LN. I think it's a new age of talent in Indy that isn't growing up being enamored and lured away from football by picking "only basketball" at an early age. 

 

You could also throw Donovan McCulley into this mix, btw, he went to the same HS. As Greg Oden, Mike Conley did, as well. 

[Brass Cannon]

28 minutes ago, CSP said:

 

 

MIC/HCC are just so legit in football and really all sports. 

The schools that are in those conferences are absolute MONSTER high schools..... 

 

A quick reference point--- in OH the largest HS is 3500 kids, followed by by 2800, but only 7 total with 2500 or more. 

There are 4 HSs in Indiana with more than the largest OH school, and another 3-4 with basically the same amount. 

In Indiana, there are 20 HS with more than 2500 kids-- 15 of those 20 are members of these two conferences. Zionsville, another member of these conferences has 2300. When the Terre Haute school combine-- that'll make another school larger than 2500, easily. There are 56 HSs in the state of Indiana with more than 1500 kids... 

All of these numbers don't include Cathedral--- who takes a back seat to very few teams in the Midwest in terms of talent/D1 athletes. Xavier Booker, Pete Werner, Danny O'Neil, Terry McLaurin... 

Furthermore-- the socio economics are MANY of these schools are absolutely ELITE. Carmel, Zionsville, Noblesville, HSE, Fishers, Avon, Brownsburg, Westfield, and Center Grove. And while LN, LC, NC, BD, and WC all have some rough parts-- they still have plenty of money, too. Again, MASSIVE enrollments... and again, in terms of just sheer talent. Cathedral is in this grouping, as well, they just don't have the school enrollment. 

 

I don't think it's coaching at LN. I think it's a new age of talent in Indy that isn't growing up being enamored and lured away from football by picking "only basketball" at an early age. 

 

You could also throw Donovan McCulley into this mix, btw, he went to the same HS. As Greg Oden, Mike Conley did, as well. 

I live in Brownsburg and can attest.  It was insane the extent football took over this town between the high school team and then IU football.  
 

Im friends with the High School QBs aunt.  I actually had the scoop on where he was committing a day before everybody else which was so cool lol.  

[Artie86]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

 

.....I think Sales is saying, "......there seems to be a trend and a reason High Flying IU is "Double Dipping" at his HS. Noticably, good talent there.

[tyappleg]

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

oh boy

wait wait... do we have an announcement date on MS yet? 

[Pagoda]

11 minutes ago, CSP said:

oh boy

wait wait... do we have an announcement date on MS yet? 

Sometime in July, he's still got officials to Bama, OSU, and Miami.  

I think Wiltfong put ~60% confidence on this prediction.  

So, we've got a ways to go, but we've got a decent shot here...

[CSP]

reading some more on Sales... they actually let him play both ways last season, so he isn't a p*** ---- 56 tackles in 10 games. 

Made the state in the 100 (10.81), 2nd in the state in the 200 (and actually broke the state record in the pre lims), was part of the 4x1 team that won the state (as was Davion Chandler), Top 12 in the long jump, as well. 

Won the long jump at the MIC conference track meet

 

Lists himself at 6'5 205 now 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

As cool as this is, it won’t be over until it’s over. Makes getting excited for football recruits a challenge. (For me)

[skhoosier2]

33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

As cool as this is, it won’t be over until it’s over. Makes getting excited for football recruits a challenge. (For me)

Agree with you 100%.  Until he arrives on campus, I won't put much stock in any commitment regardless of where he commits to.  I think he will continue to court teams up until he signs.  

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

As cool as this is, it won’t be over until it’s over. Makes getting excited for football recruits a challenge. (For me)

Yep, who knows these days until they get on campus.  
Sales might sincerely want to come to IU but what happens if, during his other visits, he is offered an unusually large bag$$$$ from Bama, OSU or Miami? 
 

That being said….the positive update is certainly more intriguing than hearing we did not make his final four. Who knows what will happen, we shall see.

[Hovadipo]

[Demo]

Maybe being overly idealistic here, but regardless of talent I struggle to get super invested in a kid with genuine interest in Lane Kiffin. 

[Stuhoo]

3 hours ago, Demo said:

Maybe being overly idealistic here, but regardless of talent I struggle to get super invested in a kid with genuine interest in Lane Kiffin. 

A national program that may be willing to ante up the biggest bag of all for a top ten player has made him want to learn more? That tracks and I can see why he would want to learn about that option.

This is the rare kid that can make $1 million as a freshman. Coaching, development, 'vibe', and proximity to home all matter, but that is with the caveat that the money has to be reasonably similar. Because any of these programs, including LSU, will get him drafted into the first few rounds at worst.

I get it - he could wreck a knee without ever playing and then all he has is that one year bag. Three and four star kids don't have a one year bag that can set up a reasonable stable financial life forever; they are more likely to have a bag worth a couple hundred thousand. Subtract taxes and agent fees and that is not 'entire life' supporting money. But Sales' $1 million? That's about $600k net after taxes and agent fees, and that can make a long-term difference for a family  even if things fall apart healthwise at age 19.

[Brass Cannon]

I think IU needs to be willing to overspend here.  
 

Winning Sales is a signal.  Breaking that barrier makes it easier to sell other ultra elite recruits.  
 

Don’t go crazy with the overspend but find the money if it’s manageable 

[Pagoda]

12 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think IU needs to be willing to overspend here.  

Winning Sales is a signal.  Breaking that barrier makes it easier to sell other ultra elite recruits.  

Don’t go crazy with the overspend but find the money if it’s manageable 

Word is we're making a strong @$$ offer.

It seems with the high schools guys that will take a year or two to develop, Cig & Co. generally stick to their valuation and won't chase players and overspend.

With an immediate contributor type like Monshun, IU gets aggressive like we do in the portal.  I guess there is a chance someone goes wild and offers something crazy, but I think we'll be there on the money part of it.  Like with Nick Marsh for example.

We'll see.  I'd really like him to commit, but the nice thing with IUFB is when it comes to WRs, we don't have to have him.

[American HoosierX]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

Maybe being overly idealistic here, but regardless of talent I struggle to get super invested in a kid with genuine interest in Lane Kiffin. 

You're going to dismiss a 17/18 year old kid who is going to give Lane Kiffin a chance? I don't think kids that age are spending a lot of time pontificating about the morality of college coaches.

[Lebowski]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Three and four star kids don't have a one year bag that can set up a reasonable stable financial life forever.

Based on Coach Cig's last comments about the market value increase compared to last year and what I personally know about a local 2025 recruit, 4* kids are indeed getting one year bags this year. 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Based on Coach Cig's last comments about the market value increase compared to last year and what I personally know about a local 2025 recruit, 4* kids are indeed getting one year bags this year. 

I know a 3 star QB that was getting offered pretty good money. Let’s just say it’s good his dad is a financial planner 

[Lebowski]

31 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I know a 3 star QB that was getting offered pretty good money. Let’s just say it’s good his dad is a financial planner 

Yeah, if some of these kids have a financial advisor in their back pocket, they're good for life. 

[Stuhoo]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think IU needs to be willing to overspend here.  
 

Winning Sales is a signal.  Breaking that barrier makes it easier to sell other ultra elite recruits.  
 

Don’t go crazy with the overspend but find the money if it’s manageable 

I'm not sure how many top-of-the-top recruits Cig even wants.

I think he's more likely to spend $500k on a player like Turbo Richard than a top 100 player in most instances. For us to spend on a top 100 recruit over a proven player, our staff is going to have to believe that player can start from day one.