(2027) WR Monshun Sales

[IUHoosierJoe]

3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think IU needs to be willing to overspend here.  
 

Winning Sales is a signal.  Breaking that barrier makes it easier to sell other ultra elite recruits.  
 

Don’t go crazy with the overspend but find the money if it’s manageable 

Winning Sales will send a signal to elite recruits. Winning big without him will send an even bigger signal to the recruits Cig really wants. Would be great to get him, but if he gets a bigger bag somewhere else, so be it. 

[Stuhoo]

This is a classic Moneyball exercise for the staff. 

For each player that interests the staff, we have a large but not unlimited budget. Each player that we spend on, whether it's a developmental high school recruit, an elite high school recruit, or a portal player, comes at an opportunity cost of using that budget to pursue other players.

The ultimate goal is to have a high sign rate on the players that we think are cost effective. And cost effective can include elite/expensive high school players.

[Lebowski]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

This is a classic Moneyball exercise for the staff. 

For each player that interests the staff, we have a large but not unlimited budget. Each player that we spend on, whether it's a developmental high school recruit, an elite high school recruit, or a portal player, comes at an opportunity cost of using that budget to pursue other players.

The ultimate goal is to have a high sign rate on the players that we think are cost effective. And cost effective can include elite/expensive high school players.

There's nothing Moneyball and/or cost effective about this. The market value jumped 3 to 5 times from last year according to Coach Cig. Coach Cig's brand alone and offer to a recruit jumps the recruit's market value. Whether IUFB is able to stay in the top 1/3 on spending is the bigger question and Coach Cig has sounded the alarms. 

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

There's nothing Moneyball and/or cost effective about this. The market value jumped 3 to 5 times from last year according to Coach Cig. Coach Cig's brand alone and offer to a recruit jumps the recruit's market value. Whether IUFB is able to stay in the top 1/3 on spending is the bigger question and Coach Cig has sounded the alarms. 

I'd define Moneyball as maximizing the roster given the money a team has.

So the calculation of whether a kid like Sales is worth it is a contextual, opportunity cost calculation. It's along the lines of; Sales and a player like Nick Marsh eat up the same budget amount -- who should we pursue? Or, should we throw a million at a freshman like Sales and have a million less to throw at multiple $250k three/four star top 500 freshman.

Last year we threw a giant bag at Fernando - turned into a fantastic moneyball play. We could have kept Tayven Jackson and spent more on other positions, but instead spent a lot on Fernando.

[Lebowski]

35 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'd define Moneyball as maximizing the roster given the money a team has.

So the calculation of whether a kid like Sales is worth it is a contextual, opportunity cost calculation. It's along the lines of; Sales and a player like Nick Marsh eat up the same budget amount -- who should we pursue? Or, should we throw a million at a freshman like Sales and have a million less to throw at multiple $250k three/four star top 500 freshman.

Last year we threw a giant bag at Fernando - turned into a fantastic moneyball play. We could have kept Tayven Jackson and spent more on other positions, but instead spent a lot on Fernando.

That's not what Moneyball is though. Moneyball is a strategy used to build teams by identifying and signing 'undervalued' players based on 'advanced stats' rather than relying on traditional scouting. 

Your examples aren't undervalued players. All of them were/are ranked towards the top if not the top amongst their peers when they were offered or signed with IUFB. 

Folks like Drew Evans or Riley Nowakowski or Mario Landino or Rolijah Hardy were undervalued when they committed to IUFB and examples of Moneyball in the true sense of the word. 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

That's not what Moneyball is though. Moneyball is a strategy used to build teams by identifying and signing 'undervalued' players based on 'advanced stats' rather than relying on traditional scouting. 

Your examples aren't undervalued players. All of them were/are ranked towards the top if not the top amongst their peers when they were offered or signed with IUFB. 

Folks like Drew Evans or Riley Nowakowski or Mario Landino or Rolijah Hardy were undervalued when they committed to IUFB and examples of Moneyball in the true sense of the word. 

We identified Fernando Mendoza at $2 million-ish per as a severely undervalued player.

This year? We are likely spending $2 million on Hoover and consider him undervalued compared to other available top tier QBs.

In any event - we agree on much of this - seems like a semantic difference.

[Lebowski]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

We identified Fernando Mendoza at $2 million-ish per as a severely undervalued player.

This year? We are likely spending $2 million on Hoover and consider him undervalued compared to other available top tier QBs.

In any event - we agree on much of this - seems like a semantic difference.

That's market value. That's not what Moneyball is. Again, Moneyball is signing Hardy and him being a 0 star. We more than likely paid pennies on the dollar if anything at all for him. His market value changed based on performance and that will shift his value because it's safe to say he's not a 0 star.