Transfer Portal w/IU Interest

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Fair.  Timing doesn’t indicate a preferred walkon and bigs very rarely take walk-on spots either.  All signs point to a back up big option.  I know people hate it, but Rabjohns (who is very friendly with Carr) said 2 of the last 3 we’re going to be practice guys.  This fits that.  And it’s a terrible idea now just as it was a terrible idea then.   Hopefully someone can think things over before final decisions are made. 

Simply put, if he is brought in to be a back up big instead of a developmental 12/13 scholly, there could not be a worse choice.  Why would anyone expect a guy who literally could not get on the court with a middling low major team would all of a sudden be a guy who could be counted on to be a rotational big man on a high major.

[ronzo4IU]

13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Fair.  Timing doesn’t indicate a preferred walkon and bigs very rarely take walk-on spots either.  All signs point to a back up big option.  I know people hate it, but Rabjohns (who is very friendly with Carr) said 2 of the last 3 were going to be practice guys.  This fits that.  And it’s a terrible idea now just as it was a terrible idea then.   Hopefully someone can think things over before final decisions are made. 

 hope not,  but if this is the case, we are screwed next year again.

[Home Jersey]

My current vibe is that making the tournament with this group would be an achievement in itself. Maybe we make it comfortably, maybe we miss it.

Regardless of who we round out the roster with, we will need our top 8 to stay very healthy. Suppose that applies to all teams but especially ours considering Burton is fairly injury prone.

Need Sherrell to play like a $4M+ player. Harris is a huge question mark, hopefully we don't overextend his role. PAM and Sisley need to be at least solid. I like Yig and Mustaf fine enough and think we pretty much know what we can count on them for. Lindsay could be a lite version of Wilkerson. I don't think we'd love him in the PG role too much so hopefully Burton stays healthy. If I were filling out the roster I'd look for a PG, guy who can play 4 or 5, and a true C. And I'd look to Europe to fill those spots.

Maybe the staff will sift through the portal and find some gold nuggets though. We can hope anyway. 

[Stuhoo]

These days teams get 15 players; walk ons inclusive. They don’t have to give all 15 scholarships or money, but are allowed to and might as well.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

These days teams get 15 players; walk ons inclusive. They don’t have to give all 15 scholarships or money, but are allowed to and might as well.

But I think that if you go with 15 instead of 13, the pot of revenue share portion has to split more ways.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, ronzo4IU said:

 hope not,  but if this is the case, we are screwed next year again.

I mean, maybe we ran out of money, but I don’t think that’s actually it.  I think they want the freshman to be rotational players then fill 11-13 with practice bodies.  Well, Rabjohns indicated #11 could be a backup with size then 2 practice players.  Problem is, if you want freshman to be rotation players at the highest level you need to hit homeruns.  Zero indication in the Manhertz scout says he’ll be ready. Then he’s reclassifying on top of it.  Which is why they don’t want to recruit over him.  Compounding an error with another error.  

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

But I think that if you go with 15 instead of 13, the pot of revenue share portion has to split more ways.

Not if a kid is willing to sign for scholly-only.

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I mean, maybe we ran out of money, but I don’t think that’s actually it.  I think they want the freshman to be rotational players then fill 11-13 with practice bodies.  Well, Rabjohns indicated #11 could be a backup with size then 2 practice players.  Problem is, if you want freshman to be rotation players at the highest level you need to hit homeruns.  Zero indication in the Manhertz scout says he’ll be ready. Then he’s reclassifying on top of it.  Which is why they don’t want to recruit over him.  Compounding an error with another error.  

I believe Manhertz was originally a 26 and then reclassified to 27 before deciding to go back to his original 26.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I believe Manhertz was originally a 26 and then reclassified to 27 before deciding to go back to his original 26.

I believe you are correct, but he didn’t need to and his body and game could use the year to improve.  Bad decision imo.  

[Pryght]

 

[ronzo4IU]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I mean, maybe we ran out of money, but I don’t think that’s actually it.  I think they want the freshman to be rotational players then fill 11-13 with practice bodies.  Well, Rabjohns indicated #11 could be a backup with size then 2 practice players.  Problem is, if you want freshman to be rotation players at the highest level you need to hit homeruns.  Zero indication in the Manhertz scout says he’ll be ready. Then he’s reclassifying on top of it.  Which is why they don’t want to recruit over him.  Compounding an error with another error.  

This sounds like we we’re  paying an awful lot of money for minds that should know better.  
Again, I hope this is not the case, but this is not serious roster construction.
 Manhurtz is nowhere ready physically to see anytime this year other than mop up.

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

This sounds like we we’re  paying an awful lot of money for minds that should know better.  
Again, I hope this is not the case, but this is not serious roster construction.
 Manhurtz is nowhere ready physically to see anytime this year other than mop up.

Personally, I think that Prince and Karvala are going to get some rotational time.  I think the roster construction to this point has been decent.....with the one spot screaming need being a solid rotational big.  That's not what Winker is.

Right now barring injuries IU is most definitely a tournament team, assuming we get another rotational big.  I'm hopeful that Winker isn't thought to be that kind of player and I do assume that isn't DeVries or Carr's plan. I would also assume that IU has at least a little money left, otherwise Wang wouldn't have bothered to visit.

[mike vannice]

17 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

This sounds like we we’re  paying an awful lot of money for minds that should know better.  
Again, I hope this is not the case, but this is not serious roster construction.
 Manhurtz is nowhere ready physically to see anytime this year other than mop up.

A solid back-up 4/5 would give us a 9 man rotation with only Moody being counted as part of the rotation. Karvala would be mop up minutes and Manhertz and 12-13 would be practice players. Not ideal but could definitely work. 5 guards/wings and 4 bigs. Build on that next year with Branham and a couple of additional bigs.

[mike vannice]

1 minute ago, mike vannice said:

A solid back-up 4/5 would give us a 9 man rotation with only Moody being counted as part of the rotation. Karvala would be mop up minutes and Manhertz and 12-13 would be practice players. Not ideal but could definitely work. 5 guards/wings and 4 bigs. Build on that next year with Branham and a couple of additional bigs.

Plus we simply have no idea what the plan is with Winker. No Leaks.

[Home Jersey]

27 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Personally, I think that Prince and Karvala are going to get some rotational time.  I think the roster construction to this point has been decent.....with the one spot screaming need being a solid rotational big.  That's not what Winker is.

Right now barring injuries IU is most definitely a tournament team, assuming we get another rotational big.  I'm hopeful that Winker isn't thought to be that kind of player and I do assume that isn't DeVries or Carr's plan. I would also assume that IU has at least a little money left, otherwise Wang wouldn't have bothered to visit.

I agree a solid rotational big is a screaming need.

I'm glad we aren't spending whatever we do have left on Wang tbh. His teammate Fuchs is much more interesting to me. Assume that's not a thing though. 

IMO it's pushing it to say barring injuries IU is "most definitely a tournament team." ... Certainly capable, but not definite IMO. We have a starting 5 that should be pretty to very good. Past that, a ton of question marks IMO

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Rabby just said a potential walk on about him to ease everyone’s minds lol

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Former IU basketball big man Andrej Acimovic committed to Missouri State today

[RaceToTheTop]

11 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I agree a solid rotational big is a screaming need.

I'm glad we aren't spending whatever we do have left on Wang tbh. His teammate Fuchs is much more interesting to me. Assume that's not a thing though. 

IMO it's pushing it to say barring injuries IU is "most definitely a tournament team." ... Certainly capable, but not definite IMO. We have a starting 5 that should be pretty to very good. Past that, a ton of question marks IMO

I agree that Fuchs is more interesting than Wang.  But whatever $ we were offering Wang it looks like it probably wasn't enough to get him over a school where he would play more and earn less.  The only information I've seen on Fuchs in the portal is that in mid-April, Clemson was showing heavy interest.

[ronzo4IU]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Personally, I think that Prince and Karvala are going to get some rotational time.  I think the roster construction to this point has been decent.....with the one spot screaming need being a solid rotational big.  That's not what Winker is.

Right now barring injuries IU is most definitely a tournament team, assuming we get another rotational big.  I'm hopeful that Winker isn't thought to be that kind of player and I do assume that isn't DeVries or Carr's plan. I would also assume that IU has at least a little money left, otherwise Wang wouldn't have bothered to visit.

I concur…we just can’t wear out our bigs  thru the grind of big10 season.  Have to have fresh legs with not a lot of drop off.

[str8baller]

You need a big in case of fouls or injury but I really doubt anyone that comes in makes the actual rotation. Devries has never played with two bigs before. Splitting Yigi and Sherrel would mean about 20mpg of two bigs together and 20mpg where one of them is the singular big.  
 

You can’t get a quality backup big that doesn’t fit in the rotation and just force them on the floor if there’s an injury. Most coaches will just go small at that point. Even 7’ center addict Matt Painter went small when faced with an injury 2 years ago. It would be really weird for a “small ball/4-out” coach like Devries to not do the same if faced with an injury.  
 

Woody was committed to 80 mins per game of post play and we still ended up with backups like Hatton, Sparks, and Duncomb. I’d expect something like that at best for our last big spot.