Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[str8baller]

11 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Reneau seems like an easy punching bag because of some head scratching things he does, but he does finish.  178 of 290 inside the paint is a solid D1 percentage (61%).  Average is at 50%, so regardless of him 'forcing shots up with 3 people surrounding him', he's making shots.

People seem to want everything from a player.....you want him to not only score but be more of a rim protector, a rebounder, a rim runner, and a passer.  EVERYBODY wants the guy you are talking about. Give me three of the guys you are talking about and I'll win a national championship.  

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

[CSP]

24 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

TJD was exactly that player.  
 

I will give you that, Reneau is a decent finisher at the rim, but he needs to get a whole lot better at recognition.

He's clearly better than "decent" around the rim, though. 61% is silly good and 59% from 2 is excellent. TJDs best year, he was 59% from 2-- 56.6% for his career. 

TJD wasn't really that until his JR year, and didn't facilitate well until his SR year.  Terrible playing out of a double team and as a passer until he was a SR. 

[CSP]

5 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

Complete crazy talk.  He gives us a chance. 

[sirhoosierlot]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

And he was a sophomore this year! People talk and talk and talk about how they want 4 year players and when we have guys like that we want them to leave in their second year because they aren’t complete basketball players yet lol 

[str8baller]

8 hours ago, AH1971 said:

As opposed to this year when playing the 4? Dude had 4+ fouls in something like 9 out of the last 10 games. Perhaps guarding quicker, more agile players that play out to the perimeter isn’t his game?

Guarding smaller players out on the perimeter isn’t his strength, but it usually isn’t for a big. Reneau gets in foul trouble usually over mental mistakes. Often he lets one bad play frustrate him and lead to a physical play where he often fouls. He did this all the time as a freshman and actually got a little better.  
 

As much as I want Woody gone, Reneau, Ware and TJD have gotten better every year under Woody and I expect that to continue.  
 

I think you’re probably not going to get your wish with surrounding him with 4 perimeter players, so the key will be what big they try and pair with Reneau. 

[OKHOOSIER]

25 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

Are people advocating for that? My only thoughts are that he needs to be used differently if our goal is to win basketball games. His shooting splits are pretty insane for someone on a mismanaged roster. Using him and Ware at the same time clogged the lane. I want to see his passing improve-- but he needs shooters to pass to. When there is MM as the only reliable option from 3 the whole offense sorta breaks down. Whether it is coaching (I tend to lean here when it comes to not looking to pass out of double teams) or simply his vision needs to improve I don't know, but it is the most glaring difference between running the offense through him vs. TJD. The defense is also a conundrum, he is 5 in college but we havent been playing him there. I would guess some of the silly foul issues would be alleviated by not having to guard high major 4s and switching onto wings. Just IMHO. 

[HoosierHuddle]

I had not looked at anything on here since yesterday afternoon and I was surprised to see quite a bit of negative opinion on Tony Perkins as a potential point guard option. He has faults in his game but I'm quite a bit more positive than most, it seems. The comparisons to Xavier Johnson are, in my opinion, way off base.

Perkins averaged 1.5 more free throw attempts per game than XJ, shot 79% compared to 68% from FT, averaged 1.8 more assists per game and fewer turnovers per game, doubled Xavier's steals per game, grades out much higher on defensive metrics than XJ and was nearly double XJ's points per game last season. In addition, Tony Perkins is considered a terrific leader and has no injury history, off-court issues or erratic on-court behavior like whacking another player in the groin. 

The perimeter shooting is a concern, no question. He is not a perfect fit. However, Perkins does offer several positive attributes that would make him an asset for the Hoosiers and an upgrade on the guard play IU had last season. Plus, he's actually in the portal and might be interested in playing at IU...something that can't currently be said about Belmont's Gillespie or Ohio State's Thornton.

Also, Hickman is 98th percentile nationally in catch and shoot three-point opportunities (credit to Tony Adragna for showing that stat). He's an asset for the roster. A starter? Hopefully not. A good piece for the roster and a player that could be valuable in helping IU win games? I believe absolutely yes.

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I had not looked at anything on here since yesterday afternoon and I was surprised to see quite a bit of negative opinion on Tony Perkins as a potential point guard option. He has faults in his game but I'm quite a bit more positive than most, it seems. The comparisons to Xavier Johnson are, in my opinion, way off base.

Perkins averaged 1.5 more free throw attempts per game than XJ, shot 79% compared to 68% from FT, averaged 1.8 more assists per game and fewer turnovers per game, doubled Xavier's steals per game, grades out much higher on defensive metrics than XJ and was nearly double XJ's points per game last season. In addition, Tony Perkins is considered a terrific leader and has no injury history, off-court issues or erratic on-court behavior like whacking another player in the groin. 

The perimeter shooting is a concern, no question. He is not a perfect fit. However, Perkins does offer several positive attributes that would make him an asset for the Hoosiers and an upgrade on the guard play IU had last season. Plus, he's actually in the portal and might be interested in playing at IU...something that can't currently be said about Belmont's Gillespie or Ohio State's Thornton.

Also, Hickman is 98th percentile nationally in catch and shoot three-point opportunities (credit to Tony Adragna for showing that stat). He's an asset for the roster. A starter? Hopefully not. A good piece for the roster and a player that could be valuable in helping IU win games? I believe absolutely yes.

All in on this.... and regardless of Hickman's catch-and-shoot ranking, he is VERY athletic. That was not his strength coming out of HS, he was not an elite shooter. SNEAKY athletic, especially for a 6'3 white kid. (if that offends someone, p*** off)... 

Connor also knows how to play the game. You're getting a TG-type athlete and a shooter that's better than Leal. 

You're right, he does not need to be a starter at the B1G level, but CH can absolutely play 15-30 mins on a successful basketball team. 

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I think we are a little too enamored with #s at times. We needed consistency and health more than anything the last two years out of our PG... Perkins has been very healthy. I'd take him and Connor in a heart beat and go from there. 

 

[RaceToTheTop]

11 minutes ago, btownqb said:

All in on this.... and regardless of Hickman's catch-and-shoot ranking, he is VERY athletic. That was not his strength coming out of HS, he was not an elite shooter. SNEAKY athletic, especially for a 6'3 white kid. (if that offends someone, p*** off)... 

Connor also knows how to play the game. You're getting a TG-type athlete and a shooter that's better than Leal. 

You're right, he does not need to be a starter at the B1G level, but CH can absolutely play 15-30 mins on a successful basketball team. 

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I think we are a little too enamored with #s at times. We needed consistency and health more than anything the last two years out of our PG... Perkins has been very healthy. I'd take him and Connor in a heart beat and go from there. 

 

Watch highlights on Hickman and you’ll bring surprised how many blow by hoops he gets.  He’s not just a shooter.

[CSP]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Watch highlights on Hickman and you’ll bring surprised how many blow by hoops he gets.  He’s not just a shooter.

I won't be surprised at all brother. I scouted the kid in HS and coached against him. He's really good lol... unassuming as heck, but he can play. 

[HoosierHuddle]

25 minutes ago, btownqb said:

All in on this.... and regardless of Hickman's catch-and-shoot ranking, he is VERY athletic. That was not his strength coming out of HS, he was not an elite shooter. SNEAKY athletic, especially for a 6'3 white kid. (if that offends someone, p*** off)... 

Connor also knows how to play the game. You're getting a TG-type athlete and a shooter that's better than Leal. 

You're right, he does not need to be a starter at the B1G level, but CH can absolutely play 15-30 mins on a successful basketball team. 

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I think we are a little too enamored with #s at times. We needed consistency and health more than anything the last two years out of our PG... Perkins has been very healthy. I'd take him and Connor in a heart beat and go from there. 

 

I keep reading that Bruce Thornton is a better player than Tony Perkins and Gillespie is a better player than Tony Perkins. Thornton absolutely is but he's not in the portal. Gillespie very likely is (you never know when moving up a level but his numbers suggest he's better than Perkins offensively and probably slightly worse on defense) but there never appeared to be traction for anyone but Maryland there. So, if Perkins is the best option, I think there are some real positives. He is capable of playing with real speed with the ball. He is a good distributor. Good creator and can get to the rim. Draws fouls and is a good free-throw shooter. Veteran with a whole lot of Big Ten experience. If he is your starting point guard, you have to surround him with better perimeter shooting than what IU had this past season. A backcourt of Perkins and Galloway for long stretches would be an issue. 

A hypothetical lineup of say...Perkins/Conwell/Bryson Tucker (getting way ahead of myself here)/Mgbako and Reneau would be interesting. Or, Perkins/Conwell/Mgbako/Reneau and hopefully an athletic center that could rebound well would not suck. Then Galloway, Hickman, Leland Walker, Cupps, Newton off the bench. I think that's a tournament team. That would not be a team that contended for a Big Ten title and it's not good enough for what IU should be striving for but it would be progress, in my opinion.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I keep reading that Bruce Thornton is a better player than Tony Perkins and Gillespie is a better player than Tony Perkins. Thornton absolutely is but he's not in the portal. Gillespie very likely is (you never know when moving up a level but his numbers suggest he's better than Perkins offensively and probably slightly worse on defense) but there never appeared to be traction for anyone but Maryland there. So, if Perkins is the best option, I think there are some real positives. He is capable of playing with real speed with the ball. He is a good distributor. Good creator and can get to the rim. Draws fouls and is a good free-throw shooter. Veteran with a whole lot of Big Ten experience. If he is your starting point guard, you have to surround him with better perimeter shooting than what IU had this past season. A backcourt of Perkins and Galloway for long stretches would be an issue. 

A hypothetical lineup of say...Perkins/Conwell/Bryson Tucker (getting way ahead of myself here)/Mgbako and Reneau would be interesting. Or, Perkins/Conwell/Mgbako/Reneau and hopefully an athletic center that could rebound well would not suck. Then Galloway, Hickman, Leland Walker, Cupps, Newton off the bench. I think that's a tournament team. That would not be a team that contended for a Big Ten title and it's not good enough for what IU should be striving for but it would be progress, in my opinion.

I have nothing against Perkins and he will be an upgrade to our point guard position but I would really like our point guard to be able to shoot and consistently hit the 3 as well as being able to penetrate, dish, get to the rim, and get to the line 

[IUCrazy2]

13 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Whew... that's definitely NGW lol

Legend in his own mind.

[CSP]

46 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I have nothing against Perkins and he will be an upgrade to our point guard position but I would really like our point guard to be able to shoot and consistently hit the 3 as well as being able to penetrate, dish, get to the rim, and get to the line 

Do your taxes, too? 

[Home Jersey]

5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Do your taxes, too? 

Right. I too would like a jack of all trades, do it all kind of PG lol... not a lot of them in college basketball exist! On the whole I think Perkins would be a great add, though I don't think it's very likely (would be happy to be proven wrong). If our other additions can shoot well, I don't have any major concerns with picking him up

[AH1971]

55 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I have nothing against Perkins and he will be an upgrade to our point guard position but I would really like our point guard to be able to shoot and consistently hit the 3 as well as being able to penetrate, dish, get to the rim, and get to the line 

Still need to think about defensive capabilities. I know shooters, shooters, and more shooters is the portal wish list, but we still need to think about the other side of the ball as well. We were just as bad defensively last year, especially guarding the perimeter. 

[Shooter]

2 hours ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I had not looked at anything on here since yesterday afternoon and I was surprised to see quite a bit of negative opinion on Tony Perkins as a potential point guard option. He has faults in his game but I'm quite a bit more positive than most, it seems. The comparisons to Xavier Johnson are, in my opinion, way off base.

Perkins averaged 1.5 more free throw attempts per game than XJ, shot 79% compared to 68% from FT, averaged 1.8 more assists per game and fewer turnovers per game, doubled Xavier's steals per game, grades out much higher on defensive metrics than XJ and was nearly double XJ's points per game last season. In addition, Tony Perkins is considered a terrific leader and has no injury history, off-court issues or erratic on-court behavior like whacking another player in the groin. 

The perimeter shooting is a concern, no question. He is not a perfect fit. However, Perkins does offer several positive attributes that would make him an asset for the Hoosiers and an upgrade on the guard play IU had last season. Plus, he's actually in the portal and might be interested in playing at IU...something that can't currently be said about Belmont's Gillespie or Ohio State's Thornton.

Also, Hickman is 98th percentile nationally in catch and shoot three-point opportunities (credit to Tony Adragna for showing that stat). He's an asset for the roster. A starter? Hopefully not. A good piece for the roster and a player that could be valuable in helping IU win games? I believe absolutely yes.

Perkins is a good player, just not a very good fit alongside Galloway. And especially not if we still play with two posts next year. I would not be mad if we added him but if you are choosing players in de facto "free agency", I'd rather choose a better fit. If we just add Perkins, replace Ware with a worse center, and run back the same lineup as last year I'll be pretty disappointed.

Hickman is absolutely a fit, 100% agree, either as a complimentary starter or a 6th man type role. 

[CSP]

18 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Right. I too would like a jack of all trades, do it all kind of PG lol... not a lot of them in college basketball exist! On the whole I think Perkins would be a great add, though I don't think it's very likely (would be happy to be proven wrong). If our other additions can shoot well, I don't have any major concerns with picking him up

They need to be 6'6+ too 

[IndyHoops]

2 hours ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I had not looked at anything on here since yesterday afternoon and I was surprised to see quite a bit of negative opinion on Tony Perkins as a potential point guard option. He has faults in his game but I'm quite a bit more positive than most, it seems. The comparisons to Xavier Johnson are, in my opinion, way off base.

Perkins averaged 1.5 more free throw attempts per game than XJ, shot 79% compared to 68% from FT, averaged 1.8 more assists per game and fewer turnovers per game, doubled Xavier's steals per game, grades out much higher on defensive metrics than XJ and was nearly double XJ's points per game last season. In addition, Tony Perkins is considered a terrific leader and has no injury history, off-court issues or erratic on-court behavior like whacking another player in the groin. 

The perimeter shooting is a concern, no question. He is not a perfect fit. However, Perkins does offer several positive attributes that would make him an asset for the Hoosiers and an upgrade on the guard play IU had last season. Plus, he's actually in the portal and might be interested in playing at IU...something that can't currently be said about Belmont's Gillespie or Ohio State's Thornton.

Also, Hickman is 98th percentile nationally in catch and shoot three-point opportunities (credit to Tony Adragna for showing that stat). He's an asset for the roster. A starter? Hopefully not. A good piece for the roster and a player that could be valuable in helping IU win games? I believe absolutely yes.

Is Perkins an upgrade from an injured X? Yes.

Is Perkins what IU needs? No.

 

 

[HoosierTrav]

16 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Pay Peyton Sandfort a cool million. I really don’t want to watch a Tony Perkins lead Hoosiers team. This is gonna be so frustrating.


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