Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:49 AM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Enlighten us then oh wise one. If not coaching, why has IU been a middle of the pack B1G team? 

Same reason why Nebraska football hasn’t been relevant in decades.

-impossible to replace legendary coach

-absurd/delusional fan expectations 

-multiple programs have simply closed the gap if not entirely passed us up

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:52 AM, Home Jersey said:

Idk about this. Fair to question IMO. Not to sound all Scotty R, sorry Scotty lol. We can have all the money and playing time in the world. Other factors about IU exist that players take into consideration. All things considered it’s easy to see why IU wouldn’t be in many talented kids top few choices right now, even/especially with a new coach. He seemed to recruit to WVU just fine. So early at IU and not much continuity from WVU to bring in the first place. Maybe it gets easier after he shows he can win here. We always say IUBB is different… it is… when we are good that’s a good thing. When we are as bad as we have been the last 25 years, it seems like a self-sustaining issue that’s got a lot to do with IU independent of coaching. Gonna take time to see any results.

IU is just another program to 99.5% of prospective high school recruits and portal entrants. Been that way for nearly two decades.

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:58 AM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Follow along with the conversation. The message you’re responding to was about IU being a middle of the pack team in recent history. IU was a middle of the pack conference team the past 8 seasons because Archie and Woody were terrible coaches. You said that’s an “opinion.” So, if it’s not true, why has IU been a middle of the pack team the past 8 or so seasons? 

IU has been a middle of the pack team since your birth. Gen Z’ers like yourself who have never seen IU elite who demand blue blood results doesn’t help.

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 3:31 AM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU football was probably the worst P5 program in the country and it changed overnight. Great coaches make immediate impacts. Will DD? We’ll find out. 

Coach CC sought out IU because they had the easiest schedule in the county with absolutely no expectations. CC could have won 6 games and he would have been extended. You go .500 at IU year one in basketball and you get a 2k fire thread on message boards.

Apples to Oranges 

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 4:02 AM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don’t think this is what anyone was hoping for/expecting, even the optimists. 

Why? This fanbase turned on a coach who made the tournament his first 2 years after missing it 5 straight years. Who did you think IU was going to hire?

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 4:27 AM, JustWinBaby said:

Thinking back on this time last year and Dusty May or Bruce Pearl could've been the head coach... *sigh*

Neither were coming 

[AH1971 3,185]

Glad @Jeff Flabjohns formerly known as Doctor P got his laughs in. He’s part of the problem lol.

[Asha’man 1,108]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:48 AM, HoosierTrav said:

Noticing the same patterns that have become cyclical with Indiana Basketball and its fans. 
 

New coach is hired. Some red flags start to raise, regarding whether coach is able to have success. Some fans make mention of their concern. Others (usually the same exact people as times past) shame and gaslight them into believing everything is fine and they have no basis to have concern. 
 

rinse… repeat. 
 

People came to this board and many others and stated openly that Dolson had a goal to make this hire prior to the portal opening. 
 

Here we are WEEKS after the opening and we have  a total of 4 players on our roster. We’ve whiffed on guys we’ve prioritized. Players and coaches. 
 

Wilkerson leaves campus and visits UK, our chances to land him become slim to none. Anyone in sales understands this. 
 

There is a very real possibility that we end up with a roster that is worse than WVU’s from last season. 

We couldn’t be off to a worse start. 
 

but yeah…. Convince yourself that we are somehow going to pull a Florida and win a natty without reeling in any of our prioritized targets. 
how many guys did Goldin prioritize last year and flat out whiff on? Curious to know. 
 

 

Not sure about how many he wiffed on, but he had a losing record in year 1 at Florida. Got a bunch of zero star recruits in year 2. Then won it in year 3. 

[AH1971 3,185]

  On 4/13/2025 at 6:31 AM, Asha’man said:

Not sure about how many he wiffed on, but he had a losing record in year 1 at Florida. Got a bunch of zero star recruits in year 2. Then won it in year 3. 

Remind them of Hurley’s track record through 4 years (zero tourney wins). Perhaps Painter? 
 

We’re our own demise and will never realize it. The fact we compare ourselves to a school like Florida in the present day is wild…what do you think Florida thinks of IU?

[Asha’man 1,108]

  On 4/13/2025 at 4:27 AM, JustWinBaby said:

Thinking back on this time last year and Dusty May or Bruce Pearl could've been the head coach... *sigh*

Dusty didn’t land his first recruit at Michigan until like April 17th or something like that. People were anxious at Michigan too. But the university leveraged their connections to Sam Webb and the guys who run MGoBlog to put water on the fire. This let Dusty get to work with positive spin from the biggest Michigan outlets, cooling the fanbase. 

[Ghost of Rick Majerus 1,961]

So much doom and gloom in this thread. It will be alright, friends. Go outside and breath some fresh air. Better times are ahead. 

Give the guy a chance to build his roster. He is right on schedule when compared to similar rebuilds from other programs that happened last year. 

[JSHoosier 22,212]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:42 AM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You can repeat the “middle of the pack B1G team” line as much as you want, but the sole reason IU has been a middle of the pack team is because of coaching. There’s absolutely nothing from an IU standpoint holding DeVries back. He has better resources than nearly every other team in the conference. Johnson seems like a good hire but Adams is meh. 

To be fair, the powers that be insisted on boy scouts when every other program realized the NCAA couldn't care less about their own rules.

[JSHoosier 22,212]

We've seen time after time that the right coach makes a pretty big impact in a short amount of time. 4-5 years just to get going? Then we got it wrong, again.

I haven't seen anyone expect a national title in year one, but if the people preaching time are being honest they probably expected more than 1 of his WVU players would want to join him.

There's nothing wrong with people saying they see warning signs. 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,416]

  On 4/13/2025 at 6:43 AM, AH1971 said:

Remind them of Hurley’s track record through 4 years (zero tourney wins). Perhaps Painter? 
 

We’re our own demise and will never realize it. The fact we compare ourselves to a school like Florida in the present day is wild…what do you think Florida thinks of IU?

NIL era changes everything. Nothing pre-post NIL is comparable.  Even the best teams (besides Purdue) rebuild their rosters every year.  Louisville was abysmal and a total laughing stock. Far worse than we have been. They had resources and made a good hire and flipped it within a year.  
 

Florida made a good hire and got a young guy who understood the portal was the way. I listened to his interviews when he was hired. He talked portal extensively. He doesn’t have the basketball resources Indiana has but they are solid.  He got the right guys and won.

 

Indiana can do all those things.  We can Sell everything Louisville can sell. They are probably are best comparison.  
 

As far as the the Fan expectations?  If we are consistently a top 25 team, that would do it for 98% of the fanbase.  “Woodson made tournament 2 years and got ran off” isn’t exactly accurate.  I think most people were ok with year 1. Although barely made tournament then got thrashed.  Year 2 was a solid year, probably about what the fanbase expects every year.  Didn’t meet their own expectations but it was fine. Year 3 began with some optimism and hope for more “modern” basketball.  That season rightfully lost the fanbase.  Year 4, a chance to reclaim the fanbase was all the same stuff.  
 

The fans want a top 25 level team.  Dusty did it.  Pope did it. Kelsey did it. Now all those guys are killing it and on path to be top 10 programs.  This is what the fanbase wants.  Not national championships. Just national relevance. It’s attainable as mentioned by these 3 coaches and programs. 
 

Optics-DeVries is already off to a rocky start. But it’s how you finish.  He does need to have a good/great season.  With the ability to pay for a top 10 paid roster, he should be able to have a good season.  He just needs to figure it out.  

[Pagoda 4,569]

  On 4/13/2025 at 5:27 AM, AH1971 said:

Same reason why Nebraska football hasn’t been relevant in decades.

-impossible to replace legendary coach

-absurd/delusional fan expectations 

-multiple programs have simply closed the gap if not entirely passed us up

Nebraska has different issues that are more serious and hard to fix than IUBB's problems.

First, Nebraska's location is a big problem in the modern era, especially as CFB recruiting became much more national.  They're in the middle of nowhere with limited local talent and it's hard to recruit players (and their families who want to watch them) to a hard to get to location.

Second, they pioneered the strength program and it was a big advantage for some time until it was eventually replicated at other programs.  They used to have a bunch of bulked up country boys and that isn't the advantage it used to be.

IUBB doesn't have a location problem, nor did we have some special weight or training program that was replicated.

Both programs have struggled to hire coaches and both programs have fanbases that are big assets.  Basically all the money for a program comes from fans in one way or another.  

[Asha’man 1,108]

  On 4/13/2025 at 10:03 AM, JSHoosier said:

We've seen time after time that the right coach makes a pretty big impact in a short amount of time. 4-5 years just to get going? Then we got it wrong, again.

I haven't seen anyone expect a national title in year one, but if the people preaching time are being honest they probably expected more than 1 of his WVU players would want to join him.

There's nothing wrong with people saying they see warning signs. 

 

Honestly the only player at WV that has eligibility that I wanted at IU was his son. 

[Asha’man 1,108]

  On 4/13/2025 at 10:48 AM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

NIL era changes everything. Nothing pre-post NIL is comparable.  Even the best teams (besides Purdue) rebuild their rosters every year.  Louisville was abysmal and a total laughing stock. Far worse than we have been. They had resources and made a good hire and flipped it within a year.  
 

Florida made a good hire and got a young guy who understood the portal was the way. I listened to his interviews when he was hired. He talked portal extensively. He doesn’t have the basketball resources Indiana has but they are solid.  He got the right guys and won.

 

Indiana can do all those things.  We can Sell everything Louisville can sell. They are probably are best comparison.  
 

As far as the the Fan expectations?  If we are consistently a top 25 team, that would do it for 98% of the fanbase.  “Woodson made tournament 2 years and got ran off” isn’t exactly accurate.  I think most people were ok with year 1. Although barely made tournament then got thrashed.  Year 2 was a solid year, probably about what the fanbase expects every year.  Didn’t meet their own expectations but it was fine. Year 3 began with some optimism and hope for more “modern” basketball.  That season rightfully lost the fanbase.  Year 4, a chance to reclaim the fanbase was all the same stuff.  
 

The fans want a top 25 level team.  Dusty did it.  Pope did it. Kelsey did it. Now all those guys are killing it and on path to be top 10 programs.  This is what the fanbase wants.  Not national championships. Just national relevance. It’s attainable as mentioned by these 3 coaches and programs. 
 

Optics-DeVries is already off to a rocky start. But it’s how you finish.  He does need to have a good/great season.  With the ability to pay for a top 10 paid roster, he should be able to have a good season.  He just needs to figure it out.  

It took Golden 3 years. First year was under .500 at Florida. Kelsey had a great turnaround as did Mayb at Michigan. But their own fan bases didn’t think the talent that was brought in at either school would lead to the success they had. It’s part of why I’m not stressing who we didn’t get. More interested in Who we do get and how it works. And we won’t know that for another month or so. Dusty didn’t have his first player until a week from now at Michigan in year 1. I just see no reason to panic or be doom and gloom or concerned at this point. 

[IU Prof 2,364]

  On 4/13/2025 at 2:26 AM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

He’s a blue collar coach supposedly with white collar resources. It’s kinda a mismatch. I think DeVries only works if he rolls up his sleeves and works and gets guys like him. It might work. But it’s not splashy and it might not work. No pizazz. Making no waves. Idk. I’m trying to talk myself into this.

Seriously? Could have fooled me.

[RaceToTheTop 31,108]

  On 4/13/2025 at 10:03 AM, JSHoosier said:

We've seen time after time that the right coach makes a pretty big impact in a short amount of time. 4-5 years just to get going? Then we got it wrong, again.

I haven't seen anyone expect a national title in year one, but if the people preaching time are being honest they probably expected more than 1 of his WVU players would want to join him.

There's nothing wrong with people saying they see warning signs. 

 

It’s been under 1 month and you are talking 4/5 years?

[Stuhoo 89,514]

Looking for a link which shows that ANY of the players we’re currently pursuing have signed elsewhere.

That wouldn’t justify a meltdown, but at least I’d then understand the current roster construction situation.

I don’t see any link showing that. Instead, all I’m seeing is that one player who is very highly sought after is taking his additional already scheduled visits. Wasn’t that a reasonably likely expectation, whether he commits to IU or not? (Answer: yes; it was)