Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Jeff Flabjohns]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Pretty wild (and telling) that the same group of people who continuously complain that IU has a coach hiring problem are the same group of people that can never figure out why "good" coaches don't ever want to come to IU.

 

[AH1971]

Just now, Jeff Flabjohns said:

 

They out themselves lol ^^^^

[BleedCubbieBlue]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Fans don't make or break a program either way. Coaching does however and when you run off coaches every 4-5 years you're never going to setup or sustain any kind of success.

I like the fact that DeVries ran every one off the roster and cleaned house. A reset was needed. Regardless of what happens this year, putting DeVries on any kind of lifted seat going into year 2 is stupid and why the IU program is in the state that it is. 

Wrong! The fans didn’t run any coaches off this team, the AD did.

Please tell me which one of our previous coaches shouldn’t have been fired when they were?

[Silat Player]

21 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Woody won one tourney game in two years and going into Year 3 his approval was very high.

It was? 

[Jeff Flabjohns]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

What's your question?

Mike Woodson was entering year 4 with a solid core returning on top of a monster on paper portal class.

We aren't anywhere close to there with DeVries. Apples to Oranges bud.

Read it again big guy, didn’t ask a question. Just noting your continued inconsistent analysis when it comes to Woodson vs his successor. 
DeVries needs to build a culture, sure. Didn’t see you hammering that point after last season when CMW tore apart whatever culture the program had left. 

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Wrong! The fans didn’t run any coaches off this team, the AD did.

Please tell me which one of our previous coaches shouldn’t have been fired when they were?

Firing coaches every 4-5 years speaks to the non-existent culture that has been IU basketball the last 25 years.

Don't know how many different ways to say it. 

[TadQueasy]

In what world was Woodys approval rating high going in to year 3? 

[BleedCubbieBlue]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Firing coaches every 4-5 years speaks to the non-existent culture that has been IU basketball the last 25 years.

Don't know how many different ways to say it. 

Answer the question. Which coach shouldn’t have been fired?

[Pagoda]

6 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

It was? 

Yea.  Going into Year 3 Woody got a raise a few batted an eye at that.  Everyone was excited for the season and thought we had a great shot at McNeely, Boogie, and Queen.

The Fire Mike Woodson thread didn't appear here until February 2024.

[AH1971]

6 minutes ago, Jeff Flabjohns said:

Read it again big guy, didn’t ask a question. Just noting your continued inconsistent analysis when it comes to Woodson vs his successor. 
DeVries needs to build a culture, sure. Didn’t see you hammering that point after last season when CMW tore apart whatever culture the program had left. 

Has nothing to do with anything I posted lol. I'm never going to yell "Fire X coach" after year 1. It's a nonsensical exercise. I believed Woodson had too much talent to fail last year....clearly I was wrong and I owned that months ago yet you still bring it up. But I also very clearly said last summer that it was his prove it or else year. 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

37 minutes ago, BBTB said:

April 4-11  mainly from what I understand the coaches can still be in contact  just no on campus things 

No in-person contact on or off-campus.  Phone, text, email all OK

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Answer the question. Which coach shouldn’t have been fired?

I don't owe you s*** lol. If you think firing a coach every 4-5 years is somehow going to erase 30+ years of mediocrity I don't know what else to tell you.

[HinnyHoosier]

41 minutes ago, str8baller said:

We beat Purdue and won at MSU which is probably one of the better wins of the year. We were 2nd right behind WVU as the most egregious tourney snubs. 
 

WVU basically had a nearly identical year to us last year by the numbers, with the caveat they had worse injury luck. Nobody will be happy with that type of season, nor should they be. 

Whilst they rebuilt WVU.

Indiana came in as the off season champs and failed miserably.

Now we're WVU. People are panicking that we haven't won the portal championship and we're building a roster from nothing, and we're going to be pissed if we aren't world beaters? Yeah, it'll suck. But it needs to be gauged in context.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

In what world was Woodys approval rating high going in to year 3? 

It wasn't.

[JPCIVOP]

2 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Answer the question. Which coach shouldn’t have been fired?

The closest one would have been Crean, one year removed from a Sweet Sixteen, with a team that had been ranked #3 early in the year, and with what would have been a strong recruiting class coming in. Understand why they did it at the time, but hindsight says pretty clearly that that year was not the one to move on from a coach.

[TheWatShot]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Firing coaches every 4-5 years speaks to the non-existent culture that has been IU basketball the last 25 years.

Don't know how many different ways to say it. 

Keeping bad coaches around too long hurts a program more than firing them. 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Firing coaches every 4-5 years speaks to the non-existent culture that has been IU basketball the last 25 years.

Don't know how many different ways to say it. 

Good thing we’ve literally only fired the last two guys after 4 years then? 

Davis - 6. Sampson 1.5 and to your broader point I’m sure the way IU handled that situation made them less attractive to good candidates. Crean - 9 years. 

Archie got 4 years, so Mike got 4 years. If DDV goes after 4 years, you may start having a point here, but I think he’s going to be here at least 5 or 6 years.

People want to restore the old IU basketball culture so badly they can’t begin to imagine a new one and how it gets built.

Let DDV cook and hope it’s worth the wait. Enjoy the process. People can keep their personal standards and expectations where they are while recognizing that’s an ambition for the program as it stands today. The fanbase will absolutely support a coach who demonstrates progress to that end - Crean’s first three years were terrible and hardly anyone said boo because they were willing to cut him some slack.

Patience is wearing thin but we hired a winner. People’s relationship with IUBB will be different for the better in a few years I think / hope / pray.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, TheWatShot said:

Keeping bad coaches around too long hurts a program more than firing them. 

Clearly...

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Good thing we’ve literally only fired the last two guys after 4 years then? 

Davis - 6. Sampson 1.5 and to your broader point I’m sure the way IU handled that situation made them less attractive to good candidates. Crean - 9 years. 

Archie got 4 years, so Mike got 4 years. If DDV goes after 4 years, you may start having a point here, but I think he’s going to be here at least 5 or 6 years.

People want to restore the old IU basketball culture so badly they can’t begin to imagine a new one and how it gets built.

Let DDV cook and hope it’s worth the wait. Enjoy the process. People can keep their personal standards and expectations where they are while recognizing that’s an ambition for the program as it stands today. The fanbase will absolutely support a coach who demonstrates progress to that end - Crean’s first three years were terrible and hardly anyone said boo because they were willing to cut him some slack.

Patience is wearing thin but we hired a winner. People’s relationship with IUBB will be different for the better in a few years I think / hope / pray.

IU is on their 6th coach in 25 years. Do the math. Everybody else outside the IU network, including prospective coaches, have. 

It is what it is. 

[go iu bb]

12 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Well it goes on the NCAA record so they count

Do you deny that Woodson was not at all on the hot seat after season 2 and, in fact, had a high fan approval?

His first 2 seasons:

1. 11 seed play-in game. Lost in Round of 64 
2. 4 seed. Lost in Round of 32

You say that fans wouldn't be happy right now with Knight's last 5 years? Let's look at those:

1. 6 seed. Lost in Round of 64 
2. 9 seed. Lost in Round of 64 
3. 7 seed. Lost in Round of 32
4. 6 seed. Lost in Round of 32
5. 6 seed. Lost in Round of 64

Or regular season. Let's look at those.

Woodson:

1. 21-14, 9-11 (9th)
2. 23-12, 12-8 (T-2)

Knight:

1. 19-12, 12-6 (T-2)
2. 22-11, 9-9 (T-6)
3. 20-12, 9-7 (T-5)
4. 23-11, 9-7 (T-3)
5. 20-9, 10-6 (T-5)

IU was easily in the field each of Knight's last 5 years, compared to only 1 year for Woodson since they snuck in his first year. Since those results were good enough for Woodson's first 2 years, I stand by that right now fans would be happy just making the tournament every year. Sure, if it got to year 4 or 5 without getting to the second weekend fans would start to get antsy but the point is that isn't the expectation right now. It seems to me that right now the expectation is to get back to making the tournament regularly then build from there.