Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[HoosierHoopster]

29 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Disagree strongly! Over the past 20-30 years, that small cheating ‘minority’ has solidly been the UK’s, Duke, Kansas (since forever), UNC, Arizona, Louisville..probably MSU in the B1G… and others that are continuously lauded as the true blue bloods with the top tier coaches. Strong argument to be made that having a really good cheating system in place has had more impact on winning than having an outstanding coach.
 

Open up no rule NIL and player transferability where everyone’s able to compete on a more level playing field-and surprise…all of a sudden there seems to be a great deal of parity as we’ve seen immediately in the past 2-3 years. Even some mid-major boats have been lifted. I get it’s out of control, creates mercenaries for hire chasing the top $$$, creates farm system of mid majors, compromises team/player continuity that we all historically have enjoyed. But, the second a ‘cap’ is instituted there’s going to be a meeting of Kansas boosters directly connected to Bill Self to determine how they can ‘help’ overcome any potential cap obstacles - just like they used when there was a very specific cap…$0! 
 

Someone mentioned above-likely move is to a model where players are employees and have formal contracts. Agree, and thats  fine - we just better be competitive in the process for determining how much to put on the table…and for finding ‘supplemental’ revenue streams..cause that’s where it jumps to - immediately. Or we can dwell in middle of the road…and keep pointing to the ole banners for another 40 years.

Ok we can disagree. At one point above you say no rule NIL brings a level playing field - parity. It doesn’t it brings leverage to bigger programs with more money and will kill mid majors, and some majors who don’t have that NIL funding. That’s exactly why the NBA has a cap. The way around that is to exceed the cap and incur the tax penalty— but unlike what you’re talking about, which absolutely does not build parity, the cap in the NBA has multiple teams competing, just look at the playoffs right now.

There’s certainly different ways to address how to enforce the cap at the college level. The current NCAA, which may or not be a thing of the past sometime, is not it. But just assuming that the NCAA’s failures in the past reflect what would happen under a new enforcement mechanism is baseless 

[coonhounds]

The rules are you can pay players now. Iu who sucks but sells out assembly hall almost every game should be dropping top dollar to get top talent! Salvaging what's left of the diehard fans and getting new bandwagon fans should be immediately addressed. We have to compete at the highest level and the money will be returned in a big way. However if Woodson truly can't coach could be a huge waste lol. Have to try. Let's pay these guys and let's roll

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[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Magisterium said:

fwiw it looks like UK may have lost another 7-footer to the portal? Gonna be interesting to see how many players follow Cal to Arkansas

They did and the one they lost could be a real unicorn.  Played half a season for them last year -- Croatian kid who didn't cleared by the NCAA until second semester.  Name is Zvonimir Ivisic.  Played in 15 games, averaged 12 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg.  The unicorn part is he's 7'2" and not plays the post but can shoot as well -- made 6 of 16 threes in those 15 games last year and shot 77% from the line.  Shot blocker as well.

[dwtaylor1055]

Doesn’t look like Ya but is it him? Or Rice’s dad maybe?

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, btownqb said:

Tuckers dad, verbatim, this week, said one and done is NOT their set in stone route. Just watching him, regardless of people thinking he should be a MCDAA, doesn't show "sure fire Pw5 starter on a good team from Day 1". IMO significant mins is 12-18 mins a night on a good PW5 team. 

I assume Gabe Cupps wasn't told a thing about the exact mins he'd play next year, there's zero chance in knowing that 8 months away. I doubt Leal was spoken to at all about any guaranteed mins. 

I was going to state this as well -- Tucker's dad has been very active in the path his son has taken and was helping making the decisions for Bryson to not play AAU ball but rather work on skills and play some international ball in the offseason.   Also indicated that they were necessarily looking to be one and done.  Remember that Bryson won't turn 18 until the summer so he's young for his class.  Dad probably thinks that going pro that quickly isn't wise.

[iu eyedoc]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Go look at his highlight reel -- they all go in.  

Just think what Woodrow could cook up with a knock down shooter like this!!

 

 

[RaceToTheTop]

So much arguing as we start locking players up.  Personally I'm glad to be in conversations about WHICH talented player we are bringing in.  Two years ago we were googling Michael Durr.

[Artie86]

4 hours ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

The weather is amazing today - some of y’all should get out, enjoy and revisit the board later this evening. 

I’m right with ya dw! 

[HoosierFan1994]

It sounds like it is somewhat possible that IU lands Hickman AND Carlyle. Let's say they add Ballo. What's the starting 5 with this scenario? Is it: Rice, Hickman, Carlyle, Malik, Ballo? With Trey, Mgbako, and Tucker off the bench? I've read where Hickman isn't coming to be a role player off the bench. It's a great problem to have as long as IU can keep everyone.  I can't see Mgbako coming off the bench. He had a good freshman year. Trey I think is the perfect 6th man (said this for multiple years) and Tucker being a freshman I can see. 

My take: Carlyle is probably the better player but I think Hickman is the better fit right now. If Indiana doesn't land any shooters the ceiling of this team is probably Sweet 16 at best. Why settle for that? That being said...get them both! 

[IUGRAD06]

4 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

It sounds like it is somewhat possible that IU lands Hickman AND Carlyle. Let's say they add Ballo. What's the starting 5 with this scenario? Is it: Rice, Hickman, Carlyle, Malik, Ballo? With Trey, Mgbako, and Tucker off the bench? I've read where Hickman isn't coming to be a role player off the bench. It's a great problem to have as long as IU can keep everyone.  I can't see Mgbako coming off the bench. He had a good freshman year. Trey I think is the perfect 6th man (said this for multiple years) and Tucker being a freshman I can see. 

As much as I crapped on Mbagko this past season he was better than Carlyle.  Carlyle in no way in hell is starting over him.  

[Feathery]

3 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

It sounds like it is somewhat possible that IU lands Hickman AND Carlyle. Let's say they add Ballo. What's the starting 5 with this scenario? Is it: Rice, Hickman, Carlyle, Malik, Ballo? With Trey, Mgbako, and Tucker off the bench? I've read where Hickman isn't coming to be a role player off the bench. It's a great problem to have as long as IU can keep everyone.  I can't see Mgbako coming off the bench. He had a good freshman year. Trey I think is the perfect 6th man (said this for multiple years) and Tucker being a freshman I can see. 

In your scenario I’d go

PG- Rice

SG - Hickman

SF - Mgbako

PF - Reneau

C - Ballo

Bench: Galloway, Carlyle, Cupps, Turner, Leal, etc. 

[Artie86]

I know money talks, but so what! If things continue to move in favor of IU with these premium players and desperate needs met, IU is looking pretty “tasty”. Lol

[HoosierFan1994]

Just now, IUGRAD06 said:

As much as I crapped on Mbagko this past season he was better than Carlyle.  Carlyle in no way in hell is starting over him.  

Just wanted to hear what people had to think about it. I can't see Carlyle wanting to come here to come off the bench...He's a consensus top 15-20 transfer. It sounds like it is just about a done deal between him and IU much like Myles Rice (crystal ball and Trilly). Again..GREAT problem to have. But, somebody is going to have to come off the bench. That being said...those guys can still see plenty of playing time. It's just a different mindset. 

[RaceToTheTop]

Not sure we should worry about who is starting and who isn't when the roster isn't set.  Also thinking starting is irrelevant  It's all about minutes and combinations on the floor.

[HoosierFan1994]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Not sure we should worry about who is starting and who isn't when the roster isn't set.  Also thinking starting is irrelevant  It's all about minutes and combinations on the floor.

it's April 14. Just a fun conversation on what ifs. Nothing wrong with it. And agree on last part somewhat. Our top 7 guys I think will see plenty of playing time. Guys 8-10 not sure. 

[Artie86]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Not sure we should worry about who is starting and who isn't when the roster isn't set.  Also thinking starting is irrelevant  It's all about minutes and combinations on the floor.

This year’s gonna be different, IMO.

The best players start and then the good ones are first to come off the bench. IMO, Gallo wasn’t promised a starting spot. He was guaranteed more more money guaranteed playing time for stay.

JMHO

GO IU!

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

The rules are you can pay players now. Iu who sucks but sells out assembly hall almost every game should be dropping top dollar to get top talent! Salvaging what's left of the diehard fans and getting new bandwagon fans should be immediately addressed. We have to compete at the highest level and the money will be returned in a big way. However if Woodson truly can't coach could be a huge waste lol. Have to try. Let's pay these guys and let's roll

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Technically that’s not the rule.  The rule is the player can sell his NIL to third parties.  But like most things with the NCAA it’s been bastardized and had become a defacto slush fund for the coaches.  Which makes it what you say — you can pay players.  :)

[IUGRAD06]

10 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

This year’s gonna be different, IMO.

The best players start and then the good ones are first to come off the bench. IMO, Gallo wasn’t promised a starting spot. He was guaranteed more more money guaranteed playing time for stay.

JMHO

GO IU!

If Galloway isn’t starting the better we will be.  He isn’t a starter because he can’t shoot.  I have said this since the beginning of time.  Indiana needs players that call play at all three levels not one. 

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

They did and the one they lost could be a real unicorn.  Played half a season for them last year -- Croatian kid who didn't cleared by the NCAA until second semester.  Name is Zvonimir Ivisic.  Played in 15 games, averaged 12 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg.  The unicorn part is he's 7'2" and not plays the post but can shoot as well -- made 6 of 16 threes in those 15 games last year and shot 77% from the line.  Shot blocker as well.

Almost sounds like a combination of Humrichous and Elijah Malone in some ways 

[IUCrazy2]

24 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Just wanted to hear what people had to think about it. I can't see Carlyle wanting to come here to come off the bench...He's a consensus top 15-20 transfer. It sounds like it is just about a done deal between him and IU much like Myles Rice (crystal ball and Trilly). Again..GREAT problem to have. But, somebody is going to have to come off the bench. That being said...those guys can still see plenty of playing time. It's just a different mindset. 

One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is us forcing the issue on tempo next year.  If we are truly going to be deep, we have a little size at the guard position, let's run some full court press and get into a little more uptempo game.

I don't want to see our guards walking up the floor to dump it to a big guy.  We need to get out and run.