Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[eddy4iu]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Some guy named Chris posted on this thread at 8:25 this morning. I've heard that both deals are done for Rice and Carlyle. Tell Travis to get up a little earlier. I'm just kidding.

I know you posted earlier and that you are just kidding.  Just adding some outside corroboration.

[Golfman25]

Just now, AH1971 said:

That it's awful early to play Chicken Little this early in the process.

Nothing chicken little about it.  Looking at the past, few teams are able to pull in 3 top 25 or 50 players.  If Mediocre Mike does it, he'll be on the Mt. Rushmore of portal hauls.  Whether that equates to Championships, we'll see.  

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Not sure which is a known shooter but I’ve watched a lot of Washington St games this year where Rice was on fire from 3.  Also watched some games where he struggled.   Didn’t watch as many Stanford games but that kid had some good games.   Torched Arizona with a 6-8 performance from 3 and 28 points.   However he also struggled in some games.     Anyone know last time IU had a player hit 6 threes in a game.   Last year hitting 6 for the whole team would of been a good week 

Sometimes I was just happy not having 6 air balls in one game from 3 LOL

[Hoosier DaDa]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I absolutely agree we need better 3-point shooting.  But, if we have some guards that can penetrate and get buckets or dish off for easy assists plus a strong offensive rebounder we don't have to be as reliant on the 3-point shot.  And that's in no way saying we don't need to be far better at it but that our offensive arsenal is much improved with significant upgrades in guard play and offensive rebounding.

The way the roster might be shaping up with some dynamic guards.  Woodson really needs to look at UConn's offenses' schemes.  

[68Hoosier]

45 minutes ago, Trish said:

Here's Rice's shot chart. Let me know if anyone wants anything else. I have some time this morning. 

But what about FT....   Can he hit more than 75% from the line, LOL

[CSP]

Just now, 68Hoosier said:

But what about FT....   Can he hit more than 75% from the line, LOL

Rice-- 81%

Carlyle- 78%

[CSP]

is Kanaan pronounced Canyon? 

[Hardwood83]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I would wager that both Rice and Carlyle will shoot closer to 35% this year on decent volume than what each shot last year. Couple that with Mgbako who shot extremely well in-conference on volume and I think the shooting concerns are well over blown given that Rice and Carlyle are both extremely dynamic guards who can get their own shot anywhere on the court.

In other words, I'm not worried about teams packing the lane like last year daring Cupps/Galloway/Leal/Johnson or whoever else was out on the perimeter to shot. 

How much closer to 35%? I might take that bet! I will cheer for whoever we end up with, but this is shaping up to be a counterintuitive roster, IMO. Obviously improvement is expected and possible, but we thought the same thing for some guys last year. Now Rice & Carlyle might be 'better' and have higher upside than previous options, but it's still makes WAY more sense, IMO to bring in proven shooters rather than hope for large improvement from guys that were below average.

Problem: "We're bad at shooting!" Solution: "Let's bring in more bad shooters and get them to shoot better!".......sorry, my faith is lacking.   

[Jeff Flabjohns]

Just now, btownqb said:

is Kanaan pronounced Canyon? 

I’ve been assuming it’s Cuh-non

[eddy4iu]

Just now, btownqb said:

is Kanaan pronounced Canyon? 

I would think Cay-Nun

[Jam]

Thought it was Kay nun

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, eddy4iu said:

I would think Cay-Nun

 

2 minutes ago, Jam said:

Thought it was Kay nun

these make the most sense, thank you 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, DoctorP said:

I’ve been assuming it’s Cuh-non

like Tony? lol 

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

How much closer to 35%? I might take that bet! I will cheer for whoever we end up with, but this is shaping up to be a counterintuitive roster, IMO. Obviously improvement is expected and possible, but we thought the same thing for some guys last year. Now Rice & Carlyle might be 'better' and have higher upside than previous options, but it's still makes WAY more sense, IMO to bring in proven shooters rather than hope for large improvement from guys that were below average.

Problem: "We're bad at shooting!" Solution: "Let's bring in more bad shooters and get them to shoot better!".......sorry, my faith is lacking.   

Ok-- fair... so... why did IN ST bring in Ryan Conwell's skill set last year? 

[Hardwood83]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Ok-- fair... so... why did IN ST bring in Ryan Conwell's skill set last year? 

I am not familar enough with their roster to say for sure, but I assume because he filled a perceived need on the team? 

 

[rcbowla]

12 minutes ago, eddy4iu said:

I would think Cay-Nun

It's pronounced Carl

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I am not familar enough with their roster to say for sure, but I assume because he filled a perceived need on the team? 

 

I'm not trying to be facetious... 

Ryan Conwell--- FR season-- .92PPP on Spot up opps-- 50th percentile... shot 30% from 3. 

That's not good and against AAC competition 

[Uspshoosier]

19 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Ok-- fair... so... why did IN ST bring in Ryan Conwell's skill set last year? 

Because Schertz recruited him out of high school when he first got the job and Conwell ended up going to South Florida.  Last year when Conwell entered he was the first kid Schertz called.   Relationships matter.  Schertz wanted him the first go around but ended up getting to coach him the second time around 

[AH1971]

55 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

How much closer to 35%? I might take that bet! I will cheer for whoever we end up with, but this is shaping up to be a counterintuitive roster, IMO. Obviously improvement is expected and possible, but we thought the same thing for some guys last year. Now Rice & Carlyle might be 'better' and have higher upside than previous options, but it's still makes WAY more sense, IMO to bring in proven shooters rather than hope for large improvement from guys that were below average.

Problem: "We're bad at shooting!" Solution: "Let's bring in more bad shooters and get them to shoot better!".......sorry, my faith is lacking.   

You're operating under the impression that Carlyle and Rice are "bad" shooters instead of operating under the idea that both were freshman last year. Not many freshman come in and shoot 40% from 3. Hell not many come in shooting 35% from 3. If you watch any film on either of them, even for a little bit, the mechanics, the release, point, and the overall form looks solid, especially from Rice who was shooting at a more than respectable clip until a late season slump.

Assuming Ballo and Reneau are our two primary interior players next year, I would guess Rice and Carlyle will both average somewhere between 1.5-2 makes per game on 5-6 attempts. To put that into perspective, that's somewhere between 55-70 made 3's per player. I think anyone would welcome that. I think Mgabko is going to be our volume guy however, 2.5-3 makes on 7-8 attempts doesn't seem farfetched. That's going to be a lot of open looks for teams trying stop two guys who are automatic under the rim. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Bowhunter said:

We really need a knockdown shooter 

Conwell>Carlyle 

FWIW, check Conwell's freshman stats v Carlyle's.  While not everyone makes that kind of kind jump from freshman to sophomore year, its worth mentioning that there are some pretty big jumps when a player is talented.  I also doubt that Conwell's jump would have been quite as big if he went to a P5 conference.