They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, JF87 said:

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I provide this evidence: “Couldn’t get his attention, and about the time he got where he was going – I thought he got fouled on the play, but they didn’t make the call."

You're up one and Purdue calls timeout.  You set your defense in the huddle. Wouldn't you also be telling the team what we are going to do if they score?  The decision may be different based on the amount of time left, but it seems to me a good coach should be one or two plays ahead in their thinking.  The fact a timeout or no timeout wasn't discussed in the previous timeout is damning evidence against Woodson.  

 

It like playing chess, you have to at be thinking 3 moves ahead, but Woodson isn’t even playing checkers, maybe marbles.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

That again highlighted the dysfunction in coaching and control. For the guys still putting in effort, it's sad. That Rice, Carlyle,Reneau and Tucker have become near unplayable liabilities is mind blowingly bad coaching

Those 4 are big liabilities.  They are selfish players, that only care about themselves and their numbers.  Yes it comes down to coaching or lack there of

[Banksyrules]

I have no problem with the players. They all seem like good teammates. Ballo standing up for his teammate when he got shoved ( forgot which game ) and the energy the others  try to bring is something I commend especially when they know the eventual outcome of their coach.  It’s too bad though, you can see the potential in this roster but just don’t have the proper coaching.  

[IUFAN1976]

56 minutes ago, DLG3 said:

At least Woodson continues to leave no doubt about being a terrible coach. That whole last 2-3 sequences were all about who has the better head coach. I feel for the guys because most of them probably deserved to pull the game out. But alas…

You could have put the ball in about 3-4 different player’s hands and I wouldn’t have said a word. But Rice? Come on. I can’t be the only one thinking Woody didn’t use 1 of the timeouts left because he saw how using a timeout at the end of the Maryland game went. 

The last two games were winnable for us, which basically came down to one possession to execute with a one point deficit but poor coaching again reared its ugly head!

[HoosierInParadise]

The point of moving on from that executive would be to put in placer a better option, as such there are none at IU. Other than satisfying the seething fan base there is no reason to fire CMW. I was for firing him earlier, just for fear he might eek out enough wins to be retained. That ship has all but sailed barring Jesus transferring in late season, and he may even struggle in Woodson's offense.
  And realize the forces that led to retaining CMW last off season are still in place. Woodson's failure and Dolsons fb accomplishments have shifted the power balance, but with no real benefit to firing him this late into this failure of a season, it seems for Dolson to use up the political capital he has amassed to merely pants Woodson seems unwise.  Let Woodson lay in the bed he made and then fade into the annuls of IU failed coaching.

I can understand your points, and they are all valid. However, I feel that by not moving on from him, every time he shows mediocrity and/or poor performance, and nothing about his future is addressed, it is communicating that it is acceptable. This is what I feel continues to damage the brand. When IU hires the next coach, it will be interesting if high expectations are talked about in the press conference....because right now, those high expectations are not being showing in the lack of communication with how this will end. I think they need to announce that he will be done at seasons end regardless of his feelings on it. If he doesn't like it and walks away before that, so be it....

[go iu bb]

11 hours ago, bourbonhoosier27 said:

https://x.com/indianahq/status/1885540016316706930?s=46


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The player doesn't need to call the timeout. What a ******* liar. Once again it's the player's fault, not his. 

Just when I think I couldn't like him even less, he finds a way.

[IUFAN1976]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

I have no problem with the players. They all seem like good teammates. Ballo standing up for his teammate when he got shoved ( forgot which game ) and the energy the others  try to bring is something I commend especially when they know the eventual outcome of their coach.  It’s too bad though, you can see the potential in this roster but just don’t have the proper coaching.  

It was the Illinois game.  
 

The potential in this team is why I would have liked to have seen them fire Woodson after the Illinois game but here we are talking about potential 

[MrBBall]

43 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Tyme deleted all his posts again lol 

Someone knows who he is, then and he doesn’t want entities to use it

[go iu bb]

11 hours ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Have to make the BTT first, could you imagine being left off that? Not making the NCAAs is one thing but miss the BTT and Woody may actually fire himself

I was with you until the "Woody may actually fire himself" part. He's made it apparent his ego is too big for that, regardless of outcome. Afterall, the failures aren't his failures, they're the players' failures. 

[coonhounds]

What's the point of an in season firing at this point. This team is well outside the tourney bubble, there is no even moderately competent replacement on the bench, and there would be only a handful of games left after Wisc.
I expect IU shot their shot last night, that was the best effort you will see the remainder of the season, maybe they show up for IU/OU part 2, the rest of the games that they are expected to lose in they will give meager efforts, folding early and often.

My selfish satisfaction and more time to find the right guy. Maybe calm the fanbase down some

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[IUFAN1976]

7 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

17 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

The point of moving on from that executive would be to put in placer a better option, as such there are none at IU. Other than satisfying the seething fan base there is no reason to fire CMW. I was for firing him earlier, just for fear he might eek out enough wins to be retained. That ship has all but sailed barring Jesus transferring in late season, and he may even struggle in Woodson's offense.
  And realize the forces that led to retaining CMW last off season are still in place. Woodson's failure and Dolsons fb accomplishments have shifted the power balance, but with no real benefit to firing him this late into this failure of a season, it seems for Dolson to use up the political capital he has amassed to merely pants Woodson seems unwise.  Let Woodson lay in the bed he made and then fade into the annuls of IU failed coaching.

I can understand your points, and they are all valid. However, I feel that by not moving on from him, every time he shows mediocrity and/or poor performance, and nothing about his future is addressed, it is communicating that it is acceptable. This is what I feel continues to damage the brand. When IU hires the next coach, it will be interesting if high expectations are talked about in the press conference....because right now, those high expectations are not being showing in the lack of communication with how this will end. I think they need to announce that he will be done at seasons end regardless of his feelings on it. If he doesn't like it and walks away before that, so be it....

This is what they should do, but instead of doing the right thing, they are doing for the wrong reasons to save a basketball legends legacy, IMO.  If that is truly the reason, I say F that, he hasn’t showed he actually cares about IU like he said he did. If he did, he would of stepped down already or at least make the announcement himself about retirement 

[JF87]

36 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

I still don't understand how an organization can have so many data points to make a decision to move on from someone but just doesn't do it. I don't think it would be too far-fetched for a large company to move on from a top executive or administrator on a project if they were showing signs of not producing or damaging the brand. I can't imagine that company waiting until the end of the project to let the person go. If it's moving in the wrong direction, why let it go downstream even more?

Because Archie got 4 years.  

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

stupid tweet 

 

It is a DD tweet so it's pretty much a given that it was a stupid tweet. It's what he does.

[iu eyedoc]

34 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

44 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

The point of moving on from that executive would be to put in placer a better option, as such there are none at IU. Other than satisfying the seething fan base there is no reason to fire CMW. I was for firing him earlier, just for fear he might eek out enough wins to be retained. That ship has all but sailed barring Jesus transferring in late season, and he may even struggle in Woodson's offense.
  And realize the forces that led to retaining CMW last off season are still in place. Woodson's failure and Dolsons fb accomplishments have shifted the power balance, but with no real benefit to firing him this late into this failure of a season, it seems for Dolson to use up the political capital he has amassed to merely pants Woodson seems unwise.  Let Woodson lay in the bed he made and then fade into the annuls of IU failed coaching.

I can understand your points, and they are all valid. However, I feel that by not moving on from him, every time he shows mediocrity and/or poor performance, and nothing about his future is addressed, it is communicating that it is acceptable. This is what I feel continues to damage the brand. When IU hires the next coach, it will be interesting if high expectations are talked about in the press conference....because right now, those high expectations are not being showing in the lack of communication with how this will end. I think they need to announce that he will be done at seasons end regardless of his feelings on it. If he doesn't like it and walks away before that, so be it....

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.

Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will really matter.

Answer yourself this question:

What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?

1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants

2) Make a tournament bid more likely

3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool

4) ENhance IU's reputation

5) Satisfy fans blood lust.

Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.

If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.

 

[monskisprodigy]

One thing I keep coming back to after a buddy mentioned it…I’ve been to a game at Mackey, and again you could hear it / see it over the TV last night. That place was rocking, no dead time, upbeat music playing constantly during timeouts, kept the energy and the crowd in it. 

How could any of our administrators attend that game and not see that we have to make changes to our game experience for fans. It’s so stale…the wat shot, mellencamp, same band songs, dead/quiet time. No energy, nothing to keep the pulse. 

We have so much work to do in that department IMO. 

[iu eyedoc]

12 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

My selfish satisfaction and more time to find the right guy. Maybe calm the fanbase down some

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Do you think they aren't seeking that guy as we speak? Whatever can be done prior to seasons end is being done.

[Ryno6284]

Rice and Reneau can sit the rest of the year! I would rather have Hatton playing.  I can almost guarantee, if MR gets that offensive rebound in the first half instead of LH,  it doesn’t get kicked to Goode for a 3!  MR is a negative too many times when he is on the floor, which is another problem, he can’t stay out of foul trouble!

 

FIRE WOOSON!

[HoosierInParadise]

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.
Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will rally matter.
Answer yourself this question:
What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?
1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants
2) Make a tournament bid more likely
3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool
4) ENhance IU's reputation
5) Satisfy fans blood lust.
Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.
If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.
 

Good points....just annoyed and frustrated that I have gray hair.

[Kentuckysucks]

This guy seems to have a lot of passion and energy.  Should Dolson give him a look?

https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1885449695251620192?s=46

 

[iu eyedoc]

Just now, mbredenk101 said:

6 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.
Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will rally matter.
Answer yourself this question:
What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?
1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants
2) Make a tournament bid more likely
3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool
4) ENhance IU's reputation
5) Satisfy fans blood lust.
Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.
If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.
 

Good points....just annoyed and frustrated that I have gray hair.

It's happening younger and younger for IU basketball fans. There is a new product that helps, it's called Just For IU Fans, it only comes in one color though, Mike Woodson Jet Black