They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[reconmkd]

19 minutes ago, IUHAHN81 said:

Baffles me that back to back 25 pt losses can literally be erased by 1 win by 1 pt against a somewhat average team and a few days off after. My memory isn't THAT short yet. I am to the point where I'm realizing he's here for the remainder of the season but im still hoping he hangs it up at years end. 

Are you sure your memory isn't that short yet, or do you not remember? 

[68Hoosier]

21 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If we beat NW and MD I think he’s back next year.  

Take it back!!!

[Pagoda]

37 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If we beat NW and MD I think he’s back next year.  

In general, the more we win, the chances of Woody leaving after this season decrease.

So, I get some folks want IU to keep winning games, and that's fine I get it, but it does create more risk with our coaching situation next year.

Looking back on last year, we had a late season five game winning streak.  Most fans generally liked the run, though we still missed the tourney by a mile, making those wins fairly meaningless.  But, that five game run may have kept Woody around another year.  If he lost most of those games he might be gone.  We'll never know.

Top-5 finish in the B1G this year and win a tournament game... even with a more powerful Dolson it's not a certainty he's gone.  After all, "It's Indiana."

[IUHAHN81]

Woodsons theme song...

[BannerVille]

9 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

In general, the more we win, the chances of Woody leaving after this season decrease.

So, I get some folks want IU to keep winning games, and that's fine I get it, but it does create more risk with our coaching situation next year.

Looking back on last year, we had a late season five game winning streak.  Most fans generally liked the run, though we still missed the tourney by a mile, making those wins fairly meaningless.  But, that five game run may have kept Woody around another year.  If he lost most of those games he might be gone.  We'll never know.

Top-5 finish in the B1G this year and win a tournament game... it's not a certainty he's gone.  After all, "It's Indiana."

That's an interesting question for the board.  If you knew for a fact that losing 3 of those 5 games would have spared us this disaster, would you still root for wins in retrospect?

[TheWatShot]

1 minute ago, BannerVille said:

That's an interesting question for the board.  If you knew for a fact that losing 3 of those 5 games would have spared us this disaster, would you still root for wins in retrospect?

Not sure it mattered. Unless we got a yes from Stevens, it sounded like Buckner was adamant that Woodson get a 4th year just like Archie did. 

[IUHAHN81]

Im ready for a coach that doesn't answer every damn question with, "Just gotta keep workin'." That's not an answer! Thats an answer someone gives when they don't know jack about what they are attempting to do. Never once do you hear any actual technical answers as to what the staff or players are doing to correct things. I literally question his basketball knowledge outside of what HE could do as a player. 

[SamIam]

13 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If we beat NW and MD I think he’s back next year.  

Don't get lost in the individual W's and L's here. I said at the beginning of the season it would take competing for a Big Ten title and a top four NCAA seed to bring him back and I think that's still true. We are still pretty far away from "Woody stays" territory. 

Each win does however make it much less likely that Woody is let go in season, but I think the odds for that are low anyway. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

4 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

You are. And it's for sure northern. 

Not really agree with ScottyR it little bit north but mostly eastern central.  Fort Wayne is north. 

[JSHoosier]

49 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If we beat NW and MD I think he’s back next year.  

Indiana doesn't need help mismanaging the men's basketball program, they've been quite effective at that the last 25 years. Don't give them ideas.

[Hornsby]

In general, the more we win, the chances of Woody leaving after this season decrease.
So, I get some folks want IU to keep winning games, and that's fine I get it, but it does create more risk with our coaching situation next year.
Looking back on last year, we had a late season five game winning streak.  Most fans generally liked the run, though we still missed the tourney by a mile, making those wins fairly meaningless.  But, that five game run may have kept Woody around another year.  If he lost most of those games he might be gone.  We'll never know.
Top-5 finish in the B1G this year and win a tournament game... even with a more powerful Dolson it's not a certainty he's gone.  After all, "It's Indiana."

The more he wins more likely he stays period imo. So for those who say lets make the tourney and get rid of Woodson I doubt it's that simple. If he makes the tourney I day 50% chance he is back unless he takes a massive payday to leave. A tourney berth gives quinn all the ammo he needs considering expectations aren't high.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

14 minutes ago, BannerVille said:

That's an interesting question for the board.  If you knew for a fact that losing 3 of those 5 games would have spared us this disaster, would you still root for wins in retrospect?

I didn’t root for wins in those games for this exact reason, so I’m not really the target demographic for this question. But this is why I hate the “true fans wouldn’t root for losses” take we’ve seen from certain people. A Mike Woodson led basketball team is a miserable experience. We all seem to want him gone after this season. Losing games is the way we get rid of him. It’s as simple as that. 

[Hornsby]

If we beat NW and MD I think he’s back next year.  

Not for sure but the odds go way up.

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[JSHoosier]

16 minutes ago, SamIam said:

Don't get lost in the individual W's and L's here. I said at the beginning of the season it would take competing for a Big Ten title and a top four NCAA seed to bring him back and I think that's still true. We are still pretty far away from "Woody stays" territory. 

Each win does however make it much less likely that Woody is let go in season, but I think the odds for that are low anyway. 

As concerned as IU is about the stupid optics there's a very real chance they'd say "we can't fire a guy that played here and has 3 tournaments in 4 years". They've lowered the standards so much that just making a 68 team field warranted a raise.

The more losses now the better for the program long term; assuming IU makes a serious hire, which is another matter.

[Hoosier DaDa]

38 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

 

May not be.  Hornsby could be right all along.

Look at you using Hovadipo tutorial on multi-quote function like a champ.  Old dogs can learn new tricks.  

[Home Jersey]

7 minutes ago, IUHAHN81 said:

Im ready for a coach that doesn't answer every damn question with, "Just gotta keep workin'." That's not an answer! Thats an answer someone gives when they don't know jack about what they are attempting to do. Never once do you hear any actual technical answers as to what the staff or players are doing to correct things. I literally question his basketball knowledge outside of what HE could do as a player. 

Mike Woodson has forgotten more about basketball than anybody on this board has ever known. Coincidentally, that also explains our choice of play style, lol

For the record, I agree about wanting a coach who can be more substantive and visible in media. That said, I don’t expect much real X’s and O’s or technical responses in post game interviews which is basically the only time Woody speaks publicly as far as I’m aware. I look forward to having energy behind our brand again thanks to a new coach, very unsatisfied with his results, but don’t doubt for a second he could talk circles around anybody here (certainly me) when it comes to basketball. How current his knowledge is for the modern game, different conversation entirely obviously…

2 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Not really agree with ScottyR it little bit north but mostly eastern central.  Fort Wayne is north. 

As an objective third party, this is the correct take… firmly eastern central. A county or two south away from being north east. Lol

[Scotty R]

58 minutes ago, IUHAHN81 said:

Baffles me that back to back 25 pt losses can literally be erased by 1 win by 1 pt against a somewhat average team and a few days off after. My memory isn't THAT short yet. I am to the point where I'm realizing he's here for the remainder of the season but im still hoping he hangs it up at years end. 

The problem is that some people believes anything that is said on here. Nobody really knows what is actually happening if anything behind the scenes but the fans want to believe anything at this time. So now you think things changed because of a win just is baffling to me.

 

[Scotty R]

7 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

As concerned as IU is about the stupid optics there's a very real chance they'd say "we can't fire a guy that played here and has 3 tournaments in 5 years". They've lowered the standards so much that just making a 68 team field warranted a raise.

The more losses now the better for the program long term; assuming IU makes a serious hire, which is another matter.

3 in 4 years he hasn't been here 5 years but it seems like it

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Scotty R said:

3 in 4 years he hasn't been here 5 years but it seems like it

Typo, but point stands.

[Hornsby]

As concerned as IU is about the stupid optics there's a very real chance they'd say "we can't fire a guy that played here and has 3 tournaments in 4 years". They've lowered the standards so much that just making a 68 team field warranted a raise.
The more losses now the better for the program long term; assuming IU makes a serious hire, which is another matter.

Bingo.

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