They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[MikeRoberts]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It bows my mind we actually probably could of had him but instead we decided Woodson needed more nil. The level of incompetency is mind bloeing.

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We could have had Calipari, Pitino, Sampson, Stevens, Pearle, May… the list goes on. 
 

all of the above coaches had interest in the Indiana job at one time and would have come here or in sampsons case did, but IU never moved on them or moved on from them.

its crazy to think of what could have been

[68Hoosier]

29 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Fife couldn't win at IPFW? 

Not saying he could win at IU.  I just had high hopes.  Just because you can win or not win at a stop doesn't tell the whole story.   If winning is all we looked at then Archie was the man.  But he couldn't win at IU.  I think there are multiple parts of the puzzle that need to fit and right now our administration is a round peg in a square hole along with our coaching staff that is missing an edge piece even before we get started.

 

Plus, Fife got more experience under Izzo after not succeeding at IPFW.  Nothing wrong with more training to get better so who knows. 

[hper50]

36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It is extremely telling that three years after Woody let Fife go, no college team has picked him up. 

From what I understand, he’s in the insurance consulting business and has no interest in coaching at this time 

[hper50]

https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1878815720714404268?s=46
 

how many of our players can be described like this?

[CSP]

5 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Not saying he could win at IU.  I just had high hopes.  Just because you can win or not win at a stop doesn't tell the whole story.   If winning is all we looked at then Archie was the man.  But he couldn't win at IU.  I think there are multiple parts of the puzzle that need to fit and right now our administration is a round peg in a square hole along with our coaching staff that is missing an edge piece even before we get started.

I had no interest in Fife as soon as he was willing to stay at MSU through everything they pulled/allowed. But, he just was never a candidate for anything at IU. 

[68Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I had no interest in Fife as soon as he was willing to stay at MSU through everything they pulled/allowed. But, he just was never a candidate for anything at IU. 

So, if your boss does something you don't agree with your quitting?  No matter if it hurts you or your family.

[Chris007]

36 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Hmm.  Interesting.  I just don't see it.  We're around $6M for BB and that would mean $12M+ for FB.  Big FB programs spend $12M on their rosters, I can't think of enough players on our team that could add up to $12M.  I heard a little over $4M for FB this past year.

Anyways, I could be wrong.  Thanks for the info, this is what message boards are for.

I'd love to know our NIL level for FB next year.  

Yeah I was wrong after going back and looking it was 13.6 but for all sports

[Chris007]

9 minutes ago, hper50 said:

From what I understand, he’s in the insurance consulting business and has no interest in coaching at this time 

That's what people say when they haven't been offered any jobs. He is still in town though, his daughter is play varsity as a freshman at Bloomington South

[BlueDevil]

Pulled this from Reddit. The end is definitely near.

[Golfman25]

54 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It is extremely telling that three years after Woody let Fife go, no college team has picked him up. 

He retired from coaching and is now in the insurance biz.  

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

He retired from coaching and is now in the insurance biz.  

Assistant coaches at P5 schools make upwards of $350,000/year.

Maybe there are other issues that caused him to prefer insurance work in Bloomington (some things are far more important than money), but that's a lot of salary to pass up if it's available.

[Golfman25]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Assistant coaches at P5 schools make upwards of $350,000/year.

Maybe there are other issues that caused him to prefer insurance work in Bloomington (some things are far more important than money), but that's a lot of salary to pass up if it's available.

Yeah, and if he was smart he put a lot of that away while working for Izzo.  You can then slow down and focus on your family and other things.  Face it, college (and professional) coaching sucks, especially as an assistant.  You're basically hired to get fired and a nomad every few years.  :)

[go iu bb]

52 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That is exactly why we lose games by such a large margin, we are unprepared.  He thinks he can win games by shear talent alone.  You might be able to get by with that in the NBA but not in college.  I can’t believe he played for one of the best coaches in college basketball to prepare you to pls and this is the crap we get!  It’s just pure laziness 

That's not just on the head coach, it's on the assistant coaches as well. I wonder if there is any pattern for which assistant is responsible for the scouting of an opponent and how prepared/unprepared the team tends to be.

[12345Brad]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

It is extremely telling that three years after Woody let Fife go, no college team has picked him up. 

Allegedly he was anti-NIL at Indiana.  If that’s his stance today, no school would hire him.   Or he just made their personal decision to move on since he doesn’t want to deal with the NIL-era. 

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

You might be right but I was told our total NIL this season for all sports was about 20 million. Now almost all of that was taken by FB and BB  with a little bit spread around to some other sports. 

I did hear from one woman's coach who asked for more NIL and was told no. Was told they could give her more scholarship money but no more NIL. Moving forward that NIL money would be going for BB,FB, WBB, VB and soccer. With a sprinkling for Baseball and soccer

Not swimming? Their monster transfer class this year seems to indicate they got pretty good NIL.

[12345Brad]

42 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Not saying he could win at IU.  I just had high hopes.  Just because you can win or not win at a stop doesn't tell the whole story.   If winning is all we looked at then Archie was the man.  But he couldn't win at IU.  I think there are multiple parts of the puzzle that need to fit and right now our administration is a round peg in a square hole along with our coaching staff that is missing an edge piece even before we get started.

 

Plus, Fife got more experience under Izzo after not succeeding at IPFW.  Nothing wrong with more training to get better so who knows. 

He inherited like a 7 win team that was relatively new to division one.  He had a winning record his last two season there.  I actually thought he was successful in that regard. 

[8bucks]

15 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

My annual for fun list and it's certainly not all-inclusive and I certainly don't mean to imply that every name on this list is a viable candidate.  Far from it.  Personal opinion is our next coach will be under the age of 55.

 

	Age @ 1/25
Pitino, Rick	72
Barnes	70
Izzo	69
Sampson	69
Calipari	65
McCaffery	65
Pearl	64
Few	62
Marshall	61
Self	62
Matta	57
Miller, Sean	56
Bennett	55
Mack	55
Davis, H.	54
Gard	54
Painter	54
Cronin	53
Holtmann	53
Hurley, B.	53
Hurley, D.	52
Beard	51
Oats	50
May	48
Shrewsberry	48
Otzelberger	47
Smart	47
Miller, Archie	46
McCollum	43
Wade	42
Pitino, Richard	42
Scheyer	37
IU Guys
Alford	60
Chaney	53
Lewis	47
Other
Donovan	59
Stevens	48

Any chance Self might be in play?  Not sure if the Big 12 will have as much pull as the SEC or the BT and maybe to keep up in the arms race he makes a move?  I know Adidas keep him in a good spot but just wondered.

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Any chance Self might be in play?  Not sure if the Big 12 will have as much pull as the SEC or the BT and maybe to keep up in the arms race he makes a move?  I know Adidas keep him in a good spot but just wondered.

No - Self will not be an option. That is a pretty long list and many on it are 100% not options. In fact, the first 11 listed have quite literally a collective zero percent chance of being the next head basketball coach at Indiana.

On the other hand, even though that's a long list, there are potential options that are not on that list. For instance, I would imagine that if things broke in certain ways Luke Murray from UConn could be an option, as I'd imagine Wes Miller or even Schertz could be an option.

I am also quite sure that Scott Dolson will not make a change to win the initial press conference; it will be with the intention of making the best hire for the extended future. As @Uspshoosier has so well stated, we need to look for a successful college basketball lifer. If it's a relatively young college basketball lifer that would be even better.

[go iu bb]

15 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Not swimming? Their monster transfer class this year seems to indicate they got pretty good NIL.

Not sure why this was funny, @Chris007. It's consistently one of the best programs IU has with a ton of tradition and swimmers that medal in the Olympics. Very good chance for the men to win the national championship this year. Definitely better money spent than a sport like volleyball.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I want to reiterate the coach list I posted yesterday was NOT meant to be a list of candidates for the IU job but purely a point of reference for the age distribution of the coaching fraternity.