They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosier987]

6 minutes ago, Redleader said:

So he beats a fellow idiot coach by “booming” him with a zone last year and thinks that will work against B1G coaches.  What happened to the “hard @$$” defense?

The problem is...Woodson complicates his defense tremendously. Instead of playing and keeping it simple, the players always look like they're thinking where they need to be.

Also, if you're going to play a defense that switches 1-5 (like we do), then you should have a quicker and smaller lineup in...not a big lineup (like we do) where we're always a step slower...Yet another Woodson beauty. This really isn't rocket science.

[Trish]

1 minute ago, 68Hoosier said:

Do you think Woodson even knows it's a dig at his offence.  I don't think he thinks there is a problem.  

Woodson has failed to understand the modern game of basketball for the last four years of his tenure. It's embarrassing. 

[AZ Hoosier]

6 minutes ago, Trish said:

Woodson has failed to understand the modern game of basketball for the last four years of his tenure. It's embarrassing. 

Woodson understands wine, cigars, cards, his buddies and Mike Woodson. He doesn't understand anything else.

Ego. Hubris. Entitlement. Mediocrity.

[Uspshoosier]

https://x.com/doogiehauser01/status/1869026052317893069?s=46
 

SIAP

[IUFAN1976]

6 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

The problem is...Woodson complicates his defense tremendously. Instead of playing and keeping it simple, the players always look like they're thinking where they need to be.

Also, if you're going to play a defense that switches 1-5 (like we do), then you should have a quicker and smaller lineup in...not a big lineup (like we do) where we're always a step slower...Yet another Woodson beauty. This really isn't rocket science.

That’s precisely why we got outscored by Nebraska 30-12 when Ballo and Reneau was on the floor at the same time.  By the way, I think Reneau is only interested in playing offense, he is a very lazy defender. Ballo tries but he’s not blessed with quickness 

[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Woodson understands wine, cigars, cards, his buddies and Mike Woodson. He doesn't understand anything else.

Ego. Hubris. Entitlement. Mediocrity.

That list doesn't include the nail slot rim defense, and it shows on the court.

[68Hoosier]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That’s precisely why we got outscored by Nebraska 30-12 when Ballo and Reneau was on the floor at the same time.  By the way, I think Reneau is only interested in playing offense, he is a very lazy defender. Ballo tries but he’s not blessed with quickness 

I think no one can be as lazy as MM on defending the 3.  My wife can do better, and she hates sports and doesn't know where the 3-point line is. 

[AZ Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://x.com/doogiehauser01/status/1869026052317893069?s=46
 

SIAP

that is pretty damning evidence of his coaching prowess.

[Trish]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://x.com/doogiehauser01/status/1869026052317893069?s=46
 

SIAP

Honestly, the gap between the Archie Years and Woodson Years is not that far off. Sure Indiana has had some nice lands in the portal and H.S. recruiting, including a couple NCAA appearances. However, the program doesn't feel all that much alive compared to the Archie days. 

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Trish said:

However, the program doesn't feel all that much alive compared to the Archie days.

Archie’s last 2 years he had the tournament cancelled and then in his last year he didn’t get the home court advantage that  Assembly Hall creates.  He ended up being bad but that’s some tough stuff to over come. Just a weird couple years.   His first year he was no where close to the tourney and in his second year lost 12 of 13 games and still was First 4 out and would of made it if they would of beaten Ohio st in B1G tourney.   Woody was in first 4 out until he made a mini run and beat Michigan and Illinois in B1G tourney.  Still finished second to last team in 

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

The problem is...Woodson complicates his defense tremendously. Instead of playing and keeping it simple, the players always look like they're thinking where they need to be.

Also, if you're going to play a defense that switches 1-5 (like we do), then you should have a quicker and smaller lineup in...not a big lineup (like we do) where we're always a step slower...Yet another Woodson beauty. This really isn't rocket science.

The problem with his defense is three fold in my opinion and one of them also stems from what I guess were promises made to players on offense. 
 

1. The NSR cannot work without an athletic rim protector. It was functional with TJD and sometimes with KW. We don’t have that this year and at times the break downs have allowed for too many layups and lobs.

2. The NSR is a relic of early 2000s NBA basketball when teams averaged a combined 15 three point attempts per game. The last year MW was a head coach that number had gotten to a whopping 18. Today? That number is nearly 39. It is also exacerbated by point three. 

3. I firmly believe MR and MM were recruited with the promise of playing mostly their preferred positions, despite it being a detriment to IU on the whole. Both are poor defenders to begin with, then in a NSR switching defense they are both switched to guard 3s and 2s. MR has a fouling problem but it isn’t all his fault, he’s being switched constantly onto smaller players he cannot guard. This issue in particular could be solved by going zone— Lord knows we are long enough to try it, but any many defense MR and MM will be exploited by opposing coaches if OB and MR are both on the floor. 
 

TL;DR: Woody uses an offense that doesn’t have the right personnel to protect the rim, doesn’t prioritize running teams off the 3PT line, and does so with two critical players to our success out of position. It’s a recipe for failure. 

[Pagoda]

6 minutes ago, Trish said:

Honestly, the gap between the Archie Years and Woodson Years is not that far off. Sure Indiana has had some nice lands in the portal and H.S. recruiting, including a couple NCAA appearances. However, the program doesn't feel all that much alive compared to the Archie days. 

Yea.  He limped in through a BTT run and the play-in and we got wrecked by St. Mary’s.  Then we had a decent season with a veteran TJD and great freshman JHS… and we won one tourney game and got blown out by Miami.  Our tourney appearances have not been exciting.

 

[Home Jersey]

37 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Since 2020, there have only been six teams who finished 5-15 or worse in the Big Ten: Nebraska twice, Minnesota twice, Michigan last year and OSU the year before. 

We will probably out-talent at least 4 or 5 more teams and catch some people on off nights. Torvik has been less optimistic about this team since before the season so 9-11 is probably closer to where we'll end up. 

5 conference wins would be abysmal, I’m sure it’s more likely than not we will win at least a couple games more than I expect, which would take us to 7-13 in conference. I feel like 8 or more future B10 wins, with the schedule ahead of us, is very optimistic.

If/when we have the long losing streak mid season many of us expect, is where I think we could really see things bottom out and kids throwing in the towel, etc. Hopefully we avoid that.

[TadQueasy]

What is NSR? 

[go iu bb]

2 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

What is NSR? 

I'm guessing Nail-Slot-Rim.

[Hornsby]

Indiana's Curt Cignetti named National Coach of the Year by Associated Press, AFCA

By Jared Kelly

 

2h ago•4 min read

He did his job!!

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[Hornsby]

I think no one can be as lazy as MM on defending the 3.  My wife can do better, and she hates sports and doesn't know where the 3-point line is. 

Wasn't he supposed to be a lottery pick. Lol.

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[Home Jersey]

34 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

I think no one can be as lazy as MM on defending the 3.  My wife can do better, and she hates sports and doesn't know where the 3-point line is. 

It feels like almost every single time Mgbako is the one closing out on the shooter, they're nailing a 3 over him.

He is a step late every time. Very lackadaisical. Almost no intensity.

He looks like a very rigid player at this level with a one-dimensional skillset and next to no athleticism. 

Like watching a shell of the 5 star I saw a handful of times in HS/AAU. 

.... starting to notice a trend....

[cybergates]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Interesting, thanks for sharing. I took a closer look out of curiosity since we had the same 18-13 projection based on "math" (if you can really call what I did math). My "eye test" prediction would give us a much worse record (14-17, though I hope I'm wrong and am sure it will most likely end up somewhere between the two). This is their projection/line for each game: 

So they project 9-11 in conference, beating: Rutger, USC, Maryland, Michigan, Purdue, PSU, OSU at home. Also @ Washington. 

My eye test projection says 5-15, beating: Rutger, USC, @ Washington, Ohio State (+ Minnesota that already happened).

The four games where we differ are at home vs. Maryland, Michigan, Purdue, and PSU. 

Torvik has the Maryland, Michigan, and Purdue games all within 2 points, 55%. PSU at home is 3.4 spread, 62%. 

I don't think at home vs. Rutgers is a sure thing by any means. Not optimistic about either PSU game. 

I think even that 18-13 (9-11) record looks mighty optimistic at the moment. 

Don't think for a second that Woodson is going to get canned mid-season...

But if we lose 10-12 straight starting with the Iowa game, or only win a couple from Rutgers on 1/2 - PSU on 2/26 ... 

I'd not be remotely shocked if Mike Woodson's knee/back "act up" and can't go on the trip out west vs. UW and Oregon. 

Going by total % chance of winning, we'd end up with the same results as the game by game predictions which isn't always the case. They add up to 10.28 wins.

I get/agree with your pessimism though since I feel it is unlikely we'd win one out of four of the games where we have around 25%-35% projected chance to win. If that's the case, we have to win all of the just above 50% games (MD, MI, PU) or win a "replacement" game to cover for it. 

It could get real ugly considering our best win is vs. #63 SC at home, so beating MD, MI, PU, PSU, OSU all ranked better (some considerably) is far from a given. That would be even one game worse than your 5-15, and counts on us winning at Wash (we haven't shown much on the road to inspire confidence). 

 

[Hornsby]

It feels like almost every single time Mgbako is the one closing out on the shooter, they're nailing a 3 over him.
He is a step late every time. Very lackadaisical. Almost no intensity.
He looks like a very rigid player at this level with a one-dimensional skillset and next to no athleticism. 
Like watching a shell of the 5 star I saw a handful of times in HS/AAU. 
.... starting to notice a trend....

If I saw him not knowing his ranking I'd say 3 star like 150th ranked

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