They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IU Prof]

17 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Just to make sure, are you still allowed to be along the line of thought of “I’m happy see the players coming back and getting tucker and hoping we kill it in portal and have a good year next year BUTTTT still want Mike Woodson gone”. Is that allowed? Asking for a friend


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Yes, but not if you are a true fan.

[IH8PU]

3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Last year's team was Woodson's team. He didn't get any guards. He left the scholarship open. There were NO EXCUSES this past year, except for "we're new", "we gotta get to work" and that d#*n hump.

FIRE MIKE WOODSON

Exactly .... what will it be this year??

[AZ Hoosier]

10 minutes ago, IH8PU said:

If you are old like I am, do you want to go watch high school games, then taking away tee times in exchange of AAU ball in the summer, then kissing @$$ on the phone to those parents so the player and parents "feel" the love they speak of on Twitter????? Woodson doesn't either. LOL

But it is a key part of the job. That was the part that Woodson didn't understand. He had a GM in the NBA, so he had guys procuring his talent (and he was still mediocre). But to coach in college, you have to recruit players, teach them, coach them and develop them. Or, line up a couple of billionaires to rent you a team. We all see which way he went.

[cleeter]

Sure but a good year next year keeps Woodson here for additional years. And a ‘good year’ to this administration probably doesn’t have to be any better than Woodson’s first year. So, if you want Woodson gone, the only hope is another bad season. 
Folks can root however they want to root, obviously, but that’s how I see it. 

I’m in the hope or delusional way of thinking, that this offseason the meetings with him went like this - “Mike, we can both admit that this isn’t working out. You’ll have one year with unlimited money to field a team to have your swan song year. After next season, you walk away, head held high and walk off into the sunset”.


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[IH8PU]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

But it is a key part of the job. That was the part that Woodson didn't understand. He had a GM in the NBA, so he had guys procuring his talent (and he was still mediocre). But to coach in college, you have to recruit players, teach them, coach them and develop them. Or, line up a couple of billionaires to rent you a team. We all see which way he went.

I agree 100%

[AZ Hoosier]

8 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

I think Woodson only coaches one more year even if we have a good season.  He will retire.

From your lips to Buckner's ears.

[cleeter]

Not just allowed. Preferred. Expected. Required.

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[cleeter]

Yes, but not if you are a true fan.

Crap…guess I’ll have to return my card then…..


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[Hoosierfan2017]

7 minutes ago, cleeter said:

I’m in the hope or delusional way of thinking, that this offseason the meetings with him went like this - “Mike, we can both admit that this isn’t working out. You’ll have one year with unlimited money to field a team to have your swan song year. After next season, you walk away, head held high and walk off into the sunset”.


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That would be the ideal scenario and I’d happily get on board. But with what we know about Mike Woodson, I see no way he leaves voluntarily. He already acts semi-retired but gets  north of $4 million a year to do it. Why give that up? 

The worst case scenario next year (which I see as being the most likely scenario) would be Woodson doing just enough to keep his job. I think sneaking into the tournament and making an early exit gets him a fifth season. 

 

 

 

[Chris007]

46 minutes ago, IH8PU said:

That's the "Million Dollar" question ... but how much of that NIL $6M is left  ?????

Just a guess for now but I think we’ve probably spent around 2.5 so far. So still got plenty. We’ll find out eventually.

[8bucks]

40 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

There's also another $2M in NIL money. Obviously changed a few minds. Trilly had Galloway all packed up and headed to South Bend before Woodson gave him and Leal big raises, and followed it up with the "true fan" crap at Senior Day.

And it could be that Trilly was wrong, again  

 

[cleeter]

That would be the ideal scenario and I’d happily get on board. But with what we know about Mike Woodson, I see no way he leaves voluntarily. He already acts semi-retired but gets  north of $4 million a year to do it. Why give that up? 
The worst case scenario next year (which I see as being the most likely scenario) would be Woodson doing just enough to keep his job. I think sneaking into the tournament and making an early exit gets him a fifth season. 
 
 
 

I would like to think he takes at 4 million over the next 2-3 years or whatever is left and then stretch it out to 1 million a year over the next 12 years or however that was worded in his contract.

I would agree, making the tournament year will be enough and he gets a 5th year and then keeps going until he strikes out in the portal one offseason.


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[AZ Hoosier]

18 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

And it could be that Trilly was wrong, again  

 

Magic 8 Ball says: Very doubtful

 

 

[JF87]

2 hours ago, 8bucks said:

I agree but there were a lot of people saying most of our players were leaving. Now, we see all the key players that can return are.  Recruiting your own is definitely part of winning the offseason. 

Happy three starters are returning because as much as I think Mike Woodson is just an average coach, superior talent can beat a lot of inferior teams.  I don't think anyone on this thread wants a repeat of this year and missing the tournament.  I will point out that we lost 6 of 12 players from our 2023-2024 roster, so we did lose 50%. 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, JF87 said:

Happy three starters are returning because as much as I think Mike Woodson is just an average coach, superior talent can beat a lot of inferior teams.  I don't think anyone on this thread wants a repeat of this year and missing the tournament.  I will point out that we lost 6 of 12 players from our 2023-2024 roster, so we did lose 50%. 

You could argue 4 starters are returning. Cupps started quite a bit as a freshman 

[go iu bb]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

You could argue 4 starters are returning. Cupps started quite a bit as a freshman 

Yep, that's why we won't get any quality guards. Don't think they'll beat out Cupps. lol

[OKHOOSIER]

3 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Happy three starters are returning because as much as I think Mike Woodson is just an average coach, superior talent can beat a lot of inferior teams.  I don't think anyone on this thread wants a repeat of this year and missing the tournament.  I will point out that we lost 6 of 12 players from our 2023-2024 roster, so we did lose 50%. 

The problem is replacing ware or changing the system. I don’t believe he changes the system, so Woody has to have an NBA caliber 5 or it gets real ugly next year. Maybe he will change his system and modernize, but I’m skeptical. It’s pretty clear MR and MM were made promises to be developed as 4 and 3 respectively. I am guessing Tucker wants to be a 2. I’ll be shocked if he isn’t looking for a starter level 5 right now.

[JF87]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

You could argue 4 starters are returning. Cupps started quite a bit as a freshman 

Yes, I thought about that.  I think Woodson considered Xavier the starter, but Cupps ended up starting because of circumstances.  Does anyone think Cupps starts at point guard this year?  No, that's why I said three.  

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, JF87 said:

Does anyone think Cupps starts at point guard this year?

Depends on who they get or don’t get in the portal 

[JF87]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Depends on who they get or don’t get in the portal 

There's going to be a lot of unhappy people on this board if we don't bring in a point guard to play in front of Cupps.  I like Cupps, but he should be a rotational player until his junior or senior years imo.