Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo 79,267]

Pearl is currently a better P5 coach.

May is a much better hire for IU.

[Hornsby 1,651]

Why not just promote Armond Hill?  He has college coaching experience where he led Columbia to its single worst season in the programs 103 year history.

Great idea. His 2-26 season was killer.

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[Hoosierfan2017 20,690]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Pearl is currently a better P5 coach.

May is a much better hire for IU.

I disagree. Pearl is much more of a sure thing, imo. May is risky. He won’t be a long-term solution but the job would be much more attractive after 7-8 year of Pearl success. Then IU would be on strong ground when making an hire. Almost like the idea when Woodson was hired if Woodson was actually a good coach. 

[8bucks 6,337]

27 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The issue is that with the downturn this season, Woodson appears more interested in saving his legacy and being the bridge coach/savior of the program than anything else... his stuck-in-the-80s style and stubborn/refusal to change methodology will ultimately be his undoing... and it will be significantly easier to spin the "I was the guy who brought IU back from the Miller tenure and into the bright future that is (May/Schertz/insert-name-of-coach-here)" than it will be to spin the "I stayed too long and drove the program right back into the Miller abyss".

The wheels are coming off, that's a fact. How does Woodson want to be remembered? Dolson needs to push hard on the narrative of ""how do you want to be remembered, Mike?" ... appeal to Woodson's inner arrogance. 

Maybe I missed something but how in the world do you know what Woody is more concerned about?  I am fine with the dissatisfaction with the program and I am fine if you think we need to make a change now but the continuous slamming of the man is tiring.  He is lazy, selfish, arrogant, concerned more about his legacy, blah. 
 

Another realistic idea is he was not satisfied with our previous hires and was convinced he could do better. Has he?  Certainly depends on who you compare to but his own goals were to compete for BT championships and NCAA championships. We finished 2nd last year in the BT in year 2. This year we absolutely took a step back and he certainly took a big gamble going limiting his portal and HS recruiting. Won’t argue at all with that and it could be his undoing for sure. Especially at his age. 
 

Some of you guys are just so negative you just keep the personal attacks on a constant loop.  The evidence you use to try and support those is weak. Well he doesn’t feel the need to explain to the press why he did X. He is stubborn and won’t change his strategies but none of us are in the huddle or in practices. He is selfish because he won’t quit now. lol. 
 

I am board if SD makes a change after the year.  But to say this experiment failed badly and to continually go after Woody’s character just confirms what Goodman and crew feel about our fan base. 

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36 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Why not just promote Armond Hill?  He has college coaching experience where he led Columbia to its single worst season in the programs 103 year history.

But their average hours of sleep was top 3 in KenPom!!

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

7 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Maybe I missed something but how in the world do you know what Woody is more concerned about?  I am fine with the dissatisfaction with the program and I am fine if you think we need to make a change now but the continuous slamming of the man is tiring.  He is lazy, selfish, arrogant, concerned more about his legacy, blah. 
 

Another realistic idea is he was not satisfied with our previous hires and was convinced he could do better. Has he?  Certainly depends on who you compare to but his own goals were to compete for BT championships and NCAA championships. We finished 2nd last year in the BT in year 2. This year we absolutely took a step back and he certainly took a big gamble going limiting his portal and HS recruiting. Won’t argue at all with that and it could be his undoing for sure. Especially at his age. 
 

Some of you guys are just so negative you just keep the personal attacks on a constant loop.  The evidence you use to try and support those is weak. Well he doesn’t feel the need to explain to the press why he did X. He is stubborn and won’t change his strategies but none of us are in the huddle or in practices. He is selfish because he won’t quit now. lol. 
 

I am board of SD makes a change after the year.  But to say this experiment failed badly and to continually go after Woody’s character just confirms what Goodman and crew feel about our fan base. 

Maybe the administration could do the one thing they've refused to do since the RMK firing...go out and hire who the fans want.  For once give the fan base what it wants.  Pearl, Drew, or Beard would all suffice.  If the fans aren't completely on board the hire is doomed to fail from the start.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,690]

12 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Maybe I missed something but how in the world do you know what Woody is more concerned about?  I am fine with the dissatisfaction with the program and I am fine if you think we need to make a change now but the continuous slamming of the man is tiring.  He is lazy, selfish, arrogant, concerned more about his legacy, blah. 
 

Another realistic idea is he was not satisfied with our previous hires and was convinced he could do better. Has he?  Certainly depends on who you compare to but his own goals were to compete for BT championships and NCAA championships. We finished 2nd last year in the BT in year 2. This year we absolutely took a step back and he certainly took a big gamble going limiting his portal and HS recruiting. Won’t argue at all with that and it could be his undoing for sure. Especially at his age. 
 

Some of you guys are just so negative you just keep the personal attacks on a constant loop.  The evidence you use to try and support those is weak. Well he doesn’t feel the need to explain to the press why he did X. He is stubborn and won’t change his strategies but none of us are in the huddle or in practices. He is selfish because he won’t quit now. lol. 
 

I am board if SD makes a change after the year.  But to say this experiment failed badly and to continually go after Woody’s character just confirms what Goodman and crew feel about our fan base. 

How would you describe Woodson’s recruiting efforts if not lazy? 

[RoadRage 1,586]

7 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Maybe the administration could do the one thing they've refused to do since the RMK firing...go out and hire who the fans want.  For once give the fan base what it wants.  Pearl, Drew, or Beard would all suffice.  If the fans aren't completely on board the hire is doomed to fail from the start.

I was corrected in an earlier post that fans have no impact on these kinds of decisions…..the admins work entirely in a vacuum…..LOL

[8bucks 6,337]

6 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Maybe the administration could do the one thing they've refused to do since the RMK firing...go out and hire who the fans want.  For once give the fan base what it wants.  Pearl, Drew, or Beard would all suffice.  If the fans aren't completely on board the hire is doomed to fail from the start.

Which fans?  Many of the fans wanted an Indiana guy?  I would have loved a Pearl, Drew type of hire but many, some with $, wanted an IU guy. 

[8bucks 6,337]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

How would you describe Woodson’s recruiting efforts if not lazy? 

Portal: He has been one of the better portal recruiters and that is important in todays world. 
High School: He took an aggressive approach which many of us liked when it looked like it would land Biggie, Liam and DQ. Now that he has missed on Biggie it certainly seems like he made a tactical error by not having secondary options.  At his age, this may prove to be the primary thing that brings his tenure to an end. Recruiting HS kids seems to be something he is struggling with for sure. But to jump to he is lazy should be hard to without considering how much time he puts in overall. 
 

I think he may have felt recruiting could be done a different way. It seems safe to say he miscalculated on that. What he does about it may determine whether he can build this program to be a BT and NCAA contender. 

[Hornsby 1,651]

The issue is that with the downturn this season, Woodson appears more interested in saving his legacy and being the bridge coach/savior of the program than anything else... his stuck-in-the-80s style and stubborn/refusal to change methodology will ultimately be his undoing... and it will be significantly easier to spin the "I was the guy who brought IU back from the Miller tenure and into the bright future that is (May/Schertz/insert-name-of-coach-here)" than it will be to spin the "I stayed too long and drove the program right back into the Miller abyss".
The wheels are coming off, that's a fact. How does Woodson want to be remembered? Dolson needs to push hard on the narrative of "how do you want to be remembered, Mike?" ... appeal to Woodson's inner arrogance. 

Plus my guess is the worst things get the more he digs his heels in. He will convince himself he can turn it around will stay on even longer.


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[colonel06 1,913]

All I know is I’m P…….(with a capital P) when I see College Game Day today flash the logos of the top seeds in real large color and I see that big custard Capital  P in front of my face and yet IU is not even relevant of conversation in March Madness!

[Hoosierfan2017 20,690]

5 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Portal: He has been one of the better portal recruiters and that is important in todays world. 
High School: He took an aggressive approach which many of us liked when it looked like it would land Biggie, Liam and DQ. Now that he has missed on Biggie it certainly seems like he made a tactical error by not having secondary options.  At his age, this may prove to be the primary thing that brings his tenure to an end. Recruiting HS kids seems to be something he is struggling with for sure. But to jump to he is lazy should be hard to without considering how much time he puts in overall. 
 

I think he may have felt recruiting could be done a different way. It seems safe to say he miscalculated on that. What he does about it may determine whether he can build this program to be a BT and NCAA contender. 

One of the better portal recruiters according to who? He swung and missed on every portal guard he went after last offseason. He hasn’t landed a guard at all in 27 months.

But I’m not even talking about his end results on the recruiting trail when I say Woodson is lazy. We’ve heard comments from people ‘in the know’ about his efforts recruiting high school players. He half***es it and doesn’t show up to games like other head coaches. That’s lazy. You land some recruits, you miss on others. But you better be busting your *** on the recruiting trail. Nothing about Mike Woodson suggests that Mike Woodson grinds it out in recruiting. And that’s why he’s struggling to get high school recruits. It’s not a coincidence that must of his high school success has been in short-term spring recruitments of players who decommit from their original schools. 

[IUFAN1976 2,746]

3 minutes ago, colonel06 said:

All I know is I’m P…….. when I see College Game Day today flash the logos of the top seeds in real large color and I see that big custard P in front of my face and yet IU is not even relevant of conversation in March Madness!

Get in line, there are a ton of us right there with you!  It sucks!

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

46 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Maybe I missed something but how in the world do you know what Woody is more concerned about?  I am fine with the dissatisfaction with the program and I am fine if you think we need to make a change now but the continuous slamming of the man is tiring.  He is lazy, selfish, arrogant, concerned more about his legacy, blah. 
 

Another realistic idea is he was not satisfied with our previous hires and was convinced he could do better. Has he?  Certainly depends on who you compare to but his own goals were to compete for BT championships and NCAA championships. We finished 2nd last year in the BT in year 2. This year we absolutely took a step back and he certainly took a big gamble going limiting his portal and HS recruiting. Won’t argue at all with that and it could be his undoing for sure. Especially at his age. 
 

Some of you guys are just so negative you just keep the personal attacks on a constant loop.  The evidence you use to try and support those is weak. Well he doesn’t feel the need to explain to the press why he did X. He is stubborn and won’t change his strategies but none of us are in the huddle or in practices. He is selfish because he won’t quit now. lol. 
 

I am board if SD makes a change after the year.  But to say this experiment failed badly and to continually go after Woody’s character just confirms what Goodman and crew feel about our fan base. 

Words matter. If you read what I wrote, I said that he APPEARS MORE INTERESTED IN SAVING HIS LEGACY ... clearly it's my opinion based on his body language in the game and in the post game pressers and the fact that very little has changed throughout the season...

[IUFAN1976 2,746]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

Team didn't seem any better with X at all except maybe in one game. Injuries are a nice excuse but had Woodson brought in another guard we would have more depth. Woodson does not get a pass on this one

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But that is what he will use as his excuse, but I agree with exactly what you said.  Let’s see if Dolson and company buys this crap!

[IUFAN1976 2,746]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Xavier played at the beginning of the season when we beat Army (who is 9-17 this season) by 8 points, Florida Golf Coast (who is 11-15 this season) by 6 points, Louisville (who is 8-17 this season) by 8 points, and got blown out by UConn. He played in the Nebraska, Rutgers, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Purdue losses. The team is 4-6 against power conference schools overall, and 3-5 in the Big 10 when he plays. His injuries make good excuses for the Woody administration, but this team stunk when he was playing too. 

That’s because X stinks.  All but a small stretch, he hasn’t played well for us and at times he makes me want to stick needles in my eyes watching him play!  He’s very frustrating to watch 

[JB_Nomee 32]

4 hours ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Wearing black is fitting for the slow dying of this season and once proud program. I love my Hoosiers, but until we have a younger coach with a more modern approach, the slow dying will continue.

Hate to say it but no 18 year old on the planet cares about a banner from 1987. You want a more modern approach, part of that is accepting that those days are gone. Kids want their names on the jerseys. They will like the alternate jerseys and you’ll see it all over social media. Even Liam has already retweeted a picture of them. 
 

Does it suck? It does. But it’s just reality. 

[IUFAN1976 2,746]

59 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Great idea. His 2-26 season was killer.

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Then why in the heck is he on our bench?

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

8 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Then why in the heck is he on our bench?

He's Woodson's muse.