Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes. But today was the first time I heard McCollam but I believe that poster.

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

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3 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

Given his buyout at UM, I think he has to be Plan B after Stevens.  Hes not as high on my list either, but for some others, he’s their #1 candidate.  

McCollum would be a lot better but yes.

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36 minutes ago, Papacap said:

My concern is if we don’t get Stevens, we end up with Woody part 2. I don’t think it will happen if Dolson has a say. But my main concern isn’t that we miss yet again on Stevens. That’s just Tuesday around here. 

The only truly Woody 2.0 would be Alford or Wittman or someone like that.  

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1 minute ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

Well for one he’s now succeeded at multiple places.  And NW Missouri St is not Dayton.  Pretty sure they are crap again this year.  Everyone wins at Dayton.  And he doesn’t have Archie’s personality quirks.  You all know what I mean.

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2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

McCollum would be a lot better but yes.

Sorry I was referencing Dusty.  I haven’t even begun to wrap my head around McCollum yet.  Haven’t looked that closely.   Seems like an Archie-type hire (which I thought was a great hire at the time)

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1 minute ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

I am not as familiar with McCollum as many here but I believe the case for him is basically that he’s won a remarkable number of championships below D1.

I was a mild Archie skeptic because 1) Dayton is a high-floor program and Arch didn’t stand WAY out overall, 2) going to the elite 8 is great but one nice tournament run is a thin track record without other factors, 3) Arch had been a lesser coach than his brother (admittedly with less time to do it) and was partially riding his reputation plus, to a lesser degree, other coaches he was connected to, and 4) no record of being truly consistently excellent either overall or on one side of the ball from an efficiency standpoint; if I recall he never had a top 25 O or D at Dayton on Kenpom.

A guy like that can work out! But a lot of somewhat flimsy stuff was carrying water for him and it turned out it was, indeed, flimsy.

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7 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

I can’t answer that. I think we would have to miss on several guys to get to him.

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2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Well for one he’s now succeeded at multiple places.  And NW Missouri St is not Dayton.  Pretty sure they are crap again this year.  Everyone wins at Dayton.  And he doesn’t have Archie’s personality quirks.  You all know what I mean.

Am I reading this correctly?  McCollum has been a D2 coach and this is his first year in D1?  Not suggesting it’s a bad thing (ie Bo Ryan non D1). 
 

it seems like a stretch hire on paper, but admittedly haven’t looked too closely into him. 

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5 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

He won 4 national championships, Maybe at a different level but he built a winning culture. Also any coach you hire is not a sure fire guarantee. Just because one mid major failed doesn't mean you shy away from other mid major coaches.

RMK Army to IU

Coach K Army to Duke

Calhoun Northeastern to UCONN

Oats Buffalo to Alabama

Hurley Rhode Island to UCONN

 

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4 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

 

5 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

McCollum would be a similar hire as a Bo Ryan.  Bo won multiple championships at the D3 level then moved up to Milwaukee at a lower win percentage then to Wisconsin.  McCollum has won 4 D2 National Championships.  He is 15-2 right now with wins over Miami, Vandy, and KSU and first place in the MVC in year one.  

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13 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

He won 4 national championships, Maybe at a different level but he built a winning culture. Also any coach you hire is not a sure fire guarantee. Just because one mid major failed doesn't mean you shy away from other mid major coaches.

RMK Army to IU

Coach K Army to Duke

Calhoun Northeastern to UCONN

Oats Buffalo to Alabama

Hurley Rhode Island to UCONN

 

Yea, every midmajor coach is not automatically Archie.  There are great ones in those ranks.  But, we need Scott to figure out which ones work at IU if we go that route.  I can’t really tell from a distance.

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51 minutes ago, Papacap said:

My concern is if we don’t get Stevens, we end up with Woody part 2. I don’t think it will happen if Dolson has a say. But my main concern isn’t that we miss yet again on Stevens. That’s just Tuesday around here. 

The range of possibilities that aren’t Stevens or Woodson and can be extremely successful are many.

Here’s to getting a truly professional coach, and one that has at least 10-15 years left in the profession.

Getting hopes up for an ‘exciting’ hire is all good and some of those exciting hires also fall into the ‘excellent chance of succeeding’ category. But I don’t give a flying **** about winning the press conference. Give me an IU version of Pat Kelsey

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Comparing McCollum to Archie is criminal. Everyone wins at Dayton 

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9 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

SIAP, but how is McCollum any different than Archie was at Dayton?

 

Other coaches had success at Dayton just to bomb elsewhere, not that unusual with them.

McCollum was DII, sure, but absolutely dominated, won 81% of his games; had 3 seasons where he didn't atleast tie for the conference lead (those were in his first 4 seasons), and 6 where he didn't atleast make the DII Sweet 16 oh and 5 national titles and several COY awards. Now has Drake at 20-2 with some wins over high majors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McCollum

All he did was win.

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2 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

 

Woodson was up for it, but they refused to separate their lockers... and Woodson had already fired Adam Howard...

lol…what a waste of a covid year

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2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Other coaches had success at Dayton just to bomb elsewhere, not that unusual with them.

McCollum was DII, sure, but absolutely dominated, won 81% of his games; had 3 seasons where he didn't atleast tie for the conference lead (those were in his first 4 seasons), and 6 where he didn't atleast make the DII Sweet 16 oh and 5 national titles and several COY awards. Now has Drake at 20-2 with some wins over high majors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McCollum

All he did was win.

Yes. Worth noting at Drake, he’s doing this with 4/7 rotation players having come with him from D2. Very impressive winning at this level with that kind of talent. 

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21 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Comparing McCollum to Archie is criminal. Everyone wins at Dayton 

It’s not just that. Archie was far far FAR more experienced at this level. He was a P5 player, a P5 assistant coach, and a deep run NCAA tournament head coach.

Until this season McCollum had quite literally never had any association with a D1 program; not as a player, a grad assistant, or as an assistant coach.

He might succeed greatly, but he would be an extremely risky choice.

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Just now, Home Jersey said:

Yes. Worth noting at Drake, he’s doing this with 4/7 rotation players having come with him from D2. Very impressive winning at this level with that kind of talent. 

And I will say until I’m blue in the face: EVERYBODY at IU gets dudes. That has never been the problem. NIL makes that even easier in some ways, I would guess. 

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The range of possibilities that aren’t Stevens or Woodson and can be extremely successful are many.

Here’s to getting a truly professional coach, and one that has at least 10-15 years left in the profession.

Getting hopes up for an ‘exciting’ hire is all good and some of those exciting hires also fall into the ‘excellent chance of succeeding’ category. But I don’t give a flying **** about winning the press conference. Give me an IU version of Pat Kelsey

This, a million times over. Absolutely. 

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4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Yes. Worth noting at Drake, he’s doing this with 4/7 rotation players having come with him from D2. Very impressive winning at this level with that kind of talent. 

Didn't realize that.

I was wrong on his national titles, just 4, but he was still just dominant.