Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976 3,951]

28 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Anybody who thinks we made the right choice by giving Woodson another year is either related to him, receiving money from him or smoking something illegal (or maybe some combination of the three?). The longer we keep him around, the worse it will get. More blowouts, more booing, more chants, possible off-court problems, social media meltdowns...our imaginations are the only limits here. 

Agree is why I said he needed to go yesterday 

[TheWatShot 14,418]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yep every great coach is rumored to IU..until they aren't. Beilein, Donovan, Stevens, Pearl. Can't believe IU has missed out on multiple HoFers the last 3-4 cycles. IU basketball leads the country in almost hiring the best coaches. Crazy how that works and not one has ever come to fruition. 

Things that make you go hmmmm

Yeah, it's almost like we hire the wrong coaches and that's why they all fail. 

[ap2345 8,817]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

He lives to be wrong or a troll. I still think he could be Tyme. Either way he loves his King. 

[IUFAN1976 3,951]

25 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

100%.  I was listening to Coyle and Kravitz this morning.  They talked about how painless the transition would’ve been had we moved from Woody to Dusty last year.  Now we could be fubar.  

Yes, but those with influence said he needed 4 years and now here we are.  We could get a court storming for the wrong reason, lol

[Uspshoosier 47,241]

9 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU basketball leads the country in almost hiring the best coaches. Crazy how that works and not one has ever come to fruition. 

Things that make you go hmmmm

They just need to hire an actual college basketball coach regardless of if they are the best or not and they will probably be in a better position then they are now 

[WeeDerkaNaut 456]

49 minutes ago, str8baller said:

How exactly does one get a commitable offer, leading IU to believe he’s theirs, and still have time to go home and get outvoted by his family?  That’s a weird timeline. 
 

And even is his kids are gone, he’s still at 1-1 tie with his wife. 

Which means he automatically loses. I'm not married but if I was and my wife was adamantly against something it's not happening simple as that. No more needs said there.

[ap2345 8,817]

1 hour ago, Scooter T Washington said:

Why isn’t he  coaching here now? Facts please, not b.s.

Go read my post a few pages back. It explains it. It's on page 1580

[IUFAN1976 3,951]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I'll never understand the "optics" of firing a coach who's had a mediocre record, no recruiting, and failed to build a foundation for a program, who didn't meet his stated goals of competing for championships.  Seems clear to me.  

Yes and it was crystal clear last year and yet here we are in a worse off predicament than last year 

[tyappleg 3,508]

Listen; are you certifiably insane and out of touch with reality if you believe Brad Stevens will be the next head coach of Indiana basketball?  Yes. 

Do I believe Brad Stevens will be the next coach of Indiana basketball? Yes.

[Golfman25 5,896]

35 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If you don't understand the demands and expectations for this job, then I can't help you. Sometimes those demands aren't met in in the first couple of years. It isn't for everybody, clearly. We're on what, coach 6 this century?

What specific "demands" must be met in the first couple (ie; 2) of years?  

[AH1971 1,790]

7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Yeah, it's almost like we hire the wrong coaches and that's why they all fail. 

We don't hire the "wrong" coaches. We hire the best available candidates. Those thinking IU voluntarily hired Archie over Billy Donovan or chose to retain Woodson over Bruce Pearl don't live in an accepted reality. Anybody who operates on the line of thinking that the IU job is one you cannot turn down hasn't been paying attention the last few decades.

The IU job is a good job as in it: a) pays well b) gives you the resources to succeed c) rewards you for success

But to think that the IU job is on a tier of its own is pure nonsense. It isn't.  

[Pagoda 1,290]

Just now, AH1971 said:

We don't hire the "wrong" coaches. We hire the best available candidates.

Ha.  No we don’t, not even close.

[str8baller 5,846]

18 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

If negotiations got to the point that Stevens got on a plane to meet with IU officials and a contract was produced for him to sign, you’d have to think Stevens was really interested, no?  I mean, the alternative, even according to your what your own sources say happened, was that Stevens had nothing better to do during the home stretch of Boston’s regular season than negotiate with Indiana just to lead them on.

Coaches, or their agents, engage in this type of thing all the time to increase leverage at their current job. 
 

Nick Saban engaged with Texas and got an offer just to shove it in Alabama’s face because he was upset with some reporters and fans who thought they underachieved one season. This was after he’d won multiple titles.   
 

IU getting all excited like Tommy Boy in the diner scene after a routine overture , would be the most IU thing ever. Par for the course. 

[Golfman25 5,896]

36 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

As I said I have never heard exactly but something about what one or more of the old men in the room were acting.

She's a woman so who really knows? Sometimes my wife is in a great mood, I go to the bathroom and come back she's is spitting fire. 

It was probably a comment like that.  :)  

[Uspshoosier 47,241]

Ius last win against a tournament quality top 5 seed was February 25, 2023.  Pretty sure any coach hired moving forward can do better then that 

[AH1971 1,790]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Coaches, or their agents, engage in this type of thing all the time to increase leverage at their current job. 
 

Nick Saban engaged with Texas and got an offer just to shove it in Alabama’s face because he was upset with some reporters and fans who thought they underachieved one season. This was after he’d won multiple titles.   
 

IU getting all excited like Tommy Boy in the diner scene after a routine overture , would be the most IU thing ever. Par for the course. 

Dusty May's agent is probably lighting up like a Christmas Tree right now just as Bruce Pearl's agent was last year. We get taken to the cleaners every cycle and never learn. 

[Golfman25 5,896]

30 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes look at Cigs in football after one season. He is king. He could ask for anything in the state right now and get it.

Can you have him ask for a new basketball coach?  :)  

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1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Yes I absolutely believe Woodson deserved a 4th season even with hindsight. Firing a coach, especially an alum, after 3 years is terrible optics, considering Archie had just gotten 4 years. Now had Woodson finished with multiple losing seasons, no tournaments, etc it would have been a tougher conversation but you're getting 4 years at IU unless you have a Sampson level scandal. 

The every coach deserves 4 years argument made sense when most recruits were coming from high school, or the players were transfers that had to sit a year before playing.  That was fair to the coaches that had to wait for their players to arrive and develop.

Now, in these times, players can come and go quickly.  Instant teams can be assembled.  Anyone with good eyes can tell in one or two years if a coach knows how to coach.    Look at Woodson's results!  My Gawd,  do we have to discuss the flaws in his game planning?

I disagree that every coach needs  4 years or more to show his stuff.  I understand that injuries can ruin a good year, but even then, as long as the coach is putting good effort on the floor,  he will be given more of a chance.  Woodson is just a horrible coach.  That's all I can say.

[Uspshoosier 47,241]

13 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Those thinking IU voluntarily hired Archie over Billy Donovan or chose to retain Woodson over Bruce Pearl don't live in an accepted reality.

IU voluntarily hired the hottest coach under 50 during that cycle.    They hired the coach that could have went to any other D1 high major school that was hiring.  Turned out to be a crappy hire but IU definitely got the top available college coach that year.    It seems Woodson was always going to get that 4th year regardless if Pearl was a realistic option.   Doesn’t matter now.  IU will once again go into this next cycle of coaches as the top job open unless North Carolina moves on from Davis so they will get to pick a really good college coach.  Just can’t go the gimmick route again and hire someone that had 0 years of college coaching experience 

[WeeDerkaNaut 456]

And as far as the "noise" and pressure of being IU's HC? I'm not a coach by any means but I'd be chomping at the bit if I was and got offered the job. And I'd be doing everything I could to make the fans as happy as possible. You get the fans going nuts for you in AH and that becomes deafening pressure on the opposing team. Also to be the one to turn the program around and get us back to our winning ways? I'd be all in for that chance. But what do I know?