Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971 1,573]

2 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I don’t care how it’s done as long as we win. I have a preference for balanced recruiting because the data shows bringing in 7+ transfers doesn’t equate to March success.
 

All I was pointing out was your sudden pearl clutching over transfers was not an outlier. 
 

To the bolded: I will never be satisfied by .500 basketball at Indiana, but my standard isn’t fumbling into the tournament and getting blown out either. So you are correct, two years of .500 basketball I would not “live” with. 
 

 

So winning overnight is priority over setting, building, and growing a foundation?

And yet I still don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every few years. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,372]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

It was probably quinn reminding everyone archie got 4 years and the king gets the full 4 year. Told them all to quit criticizing the king

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Also Malik had to miss a few games so therefore the King gets 5 years.  

[Pudman 262]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

This committee advises on the hiring and firing of athletic coaches

Confirmed that yesterdays meeting of that committee was not about what we hoped it would be about.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,745]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Yep. Ferguson is rhe reason Woodson got another year and the 6 million.

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Well maybe Braun got fed up enough to tell Ferguson to fire him. Braun left at halftime and had been sitting next to Ferguson.

[Chris007 45,235]

1 minute ago, Pudman said:

Confirmed that yesterdays meeting of that committee was not about what we hoped it would be about.

OK weird they would have an emergency meeting but it's IU weird things happen all the time.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,745]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So winning overnight is priority over setting, building, and growing a foundation?

And yet I still don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every few years. 

Pretty well proven by Pope, Kelsey, Beard that you can start doing some winning immediately and actually show signs of decent basketball.

[Artie86 2,015]

Just now, Chris007 said:

OK weird they would have an emergency meeting but it's IU weird things happen all the time.  

smoke screen.....

[tyappleg 3,301]

3 minutes ago, Pudman said:

Confirmed that yesterdays meeting of that committee was not about what we hoped it would be about.

I choose not to believe you. 

[OKHOOSIER 2,758]

Just now, AH1971 said:

So winning overnight is priority over setting, building, and growing a foundation?

And yet I still don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every few years. 

Dude I’m not litigating this again, I have said repeatedly, if MW had a good high school class coming in last year, I could have understood  him getting a 4th year. He didn’t, so he deserved to be fired given the body of work. 
 

Twisting every argument and responding with “So…..” and moving the goalposts into an if/then black/white in every response is tiresome and ignores all the nuance. 

[jbeaman9 1,024]

Pretty certain I read on their website that the hiring/firing of coaches is a subcommittee. Very plausible the entire group met but the subcommittee on hiring/firing met separately on their own. Spitballing here. 

[ap2345 8,185]

4 minutes ago, Pudman said:

Confirmed that yesterday’s meeting of that committee was not about what we hoped it would be about.

Hmmm 

[Eagle’s Rug 225]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

When the demands and expectations of the job require you to win overnight, what other choice do you have? 

The fan base HAD to give Crean 2-3 years because he literally started with nothing. And he enjoyed the most success by far. I don't believe that to be a coincidence. Do you?

Any other coach should lay a foundation in the first couple years, but Woody blew off recruiting and relied on the portal because he had no other choice.  Did I get that right?

Crean enjoyed the most success because he was a miles better coach than Bigfoot or Archie.  He worked his butt off, but he was an odd bird who flailed when his game plan needed to be adjusted in game.    He was outgoing and able to hold a press conference that explained his approach.  Great player development, his staff wasn’t outstanding, but is way better than what we have now.  I love how you are turning disadvantages that Crean had into reasons for why he had it better than his successors.

[Stuhoo 81,724]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So winning overnight is priority over setting, building, and growing a foundation?

And yet I still don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every few years. 

Nope. Great point, and your point could explain why Woody was such a bad hire:

• His Twitter/X account is "@MikeWoodsonNBA."
• During his introductory remarks when hired, he frequently noted that he is older and doesn't have time to 'win later'
• He clearly has not established a foundation,
• Tried to build a quick-winning program through
  • NIL,
  • roster turnover, and
  • speed date recruiting of high ranked kids that he didn't have to follow for years. 

 

[Artie86 2,015]

2 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

Pretty certain I read on their website that the hiring/firing of coaches is a subcommittee. Very plausible the entire group met but the subcommittee on hiring/firing met separately on their own. Spitballing here. 

[Hoosier987 1,298]

59 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think Cig wants himself or his players around the basketball program. He's afraid something will rub off

Can't blame him. He's the exact opposite of Woodson in terms of winner's mentality and culture setting. 

[AH1971 1,573]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Nope. Great point, and your point could explain why Woody was such a bad hire:

• His Twitter/X account is "@MikeWoodsonNBA."
• During his introductory remarks when hired, he frequently noted that he is older and doesn't have time to 'win later'
• He clearly has not established a foundation,
• Tried to build a quick-winning program through
  • NIL,
  • roster turnover, and
  • speed date recruiting of high ranked kids that he didn't have to follow for years. 

 

All I'm saying is that whoever is hired should get more than two years before he has to start looking over his shoulders. 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,690]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

We don't hire the "wrong" coaches. We hire the best available candidates. Those thinking IU voluntarily hired Archie over Billy Donovan or chose to retain Woodson over Bruce Pearl don't live in an accepted reality. Anybody who operates on the line of thinking that the IU job is one you cannot turn down hasn't been paying attention the last few decades.

The IU job is a good job as in it: a) pays well b) gives you the resources to succeed c) rewards you for success

But to think that the IU job is on a tier of its own is pure nonsense. It isn't.  

Oh I see you’re just coming back in a different form/angle…still telling everyone how to think. Drop your pitchfork we don’t want you on this side.

[AZ Hoosier 7,572]

2 hours ago, realTomCrean said:

I believe what you're saying, but what specifically was done to cause her to back out? With a huge check already written and plans underway, what possibly could have been done by an IU member to disrupt the deal? 

Well, when Buckner and Ferguson are involved, I'm sure they were more loyal to Woodson than to IU. I'm sure both were more than capable of blowing the deal up... and, obviously, they were successful.

[Artie86 2,015]

7 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Hmmm 

.....anyway you look at it, if it was that committee or board or whoever, I GUARANTEE some type of meeting took place somewhere on the IU campus to discuss IU BB and Coach Woodson between Dolson and somebody! He was there and witnessed the whole thing. 

[AZ Hoosier 7,572]

2 hours ago, Pagoda said:

I get there are concerns about the optics of firing Woody after three years.

But, what about the optics of this season as a result of keeping him?  The 20+ point blowouts, ranked in the 60’s after huge NIL spend, empty AH, and significant national media criticism.  And we whiffed on another high school recruiting class, including top Indiana kids, which starts to compromise next year.  These optics are a lot worse than firing a bad coach after three years.

Optics be damned. There is a lot more involved... nepotism, incompetence (on many levels, including the BoT and the coaching staff), results over the past 25 years...