Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve reached the “players are tweeting at Dakich” point of the season. Luke Goode should probably just stay away from social media..

Things are fine!

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8 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Now, here come the outright lies. Bob Knight was hired before any current processes and people were put into place. Also, a single data point is not conclusive evidence. Citing Bob Knight is an appeal to emotion in this argument.

By saying that the process is the same that hired Bob Knight, you have completely outed yourself as not an insider. You are another anonymous internet troll with opinions and agendas.

No, the Bob Knight hire was a team effort (Bill Orwig and John Ryan, primarily, with the assistance of a few other key people, all of whom are no longer with us). Quite clear you don’t have the slightest idea about that or this situation.

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Just now, Golfman25 said:

If he "cared" as you say, why wouldn't he do everything he could to get a competent coach in place?  Instead he forces his unqualified buddy on us.  Please, we may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.  

Right?! No one here is brand new.

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1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

Already said he should be replaced at the end of the season unless we make a dramatic turnaround, which is highly unlikely. So, asked and answered.

Because that is really the heart of the matter— Cig proved that all of the damaged process is irrelevant when the right guy is running the show.

Sorry—missed your agreed-upon conclusion amongst so much other splaining and splaining and splaining.

 

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Just now, KathywithaC said:

Already said he should be replaced at the end of the season unless we make a dramatic turnaround, which is highly unlikely. So, asked and answered.

what is the well thought out, results based decision on the benefit(s) of keeping Mike through the end of the season vs. firing immediately? compare and contrast those benefits with the benefits listed for getting rid of him now. be thorough in your response, i'm quite interested in why it's such an awful idea to get the cancer out now vs. let it eat away at the program another few months.....

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6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Dude, that is the very definition of Interim.  

And the results did nothing to benefit the long term health of the program.That’s the very definition of wasted effort. Why would that make sense?

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Just now, KathywithaC said:

No, the Bob Knight hire was a team effort (Bill Orwig and John Ryan, primarily, with the assistance of a few other key people, all of whom are no longer with us). Quite clear you don’t have the slightest idea about that or this situation.

I was an Indiana athlete, I worked in the athletic office, I was a college coach at other universities, I have friends and former teammates that are currently college coaches at major universities including Indiana University. I have a very clear picture.

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Just now, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

what is the well thought out, results based decision on the benefit(s) of keeping Mike through the end of the season vs. firing immediately? compare and contrast those benefits with the benefits listed for getting rid of him now. be thorough in your response, i'm quite interested in why it's such an awful idea to get the cancer out now vs. let it eat away at the program another few months.....

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

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Just now, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

He's not good at his job. 

That's the only reason you need.

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Just now, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

There have been several but you are here to argue in bad faith with an agenda to protect certain people, not the university and basketball program.

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1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

So I don’t have to watch him coach basketball anymore.

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Just now, PartyintheVillas said:

I was an Indiana athlete, I worked in the athletic office, I was a college coach at other universities, I have friends and former teammates that are currently college coaches at major universities including Indiana University. I have a very clear picture.

That clear picture doesn’t include how Bob Knight was hired. To be fair, most of those same people, including the two principal players, were also responsible for hiring Lee Corso, something I’m sure you knew, given your background. 

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4 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

If he "cared" as you say, why wouldn't he do everything he could to get a competent coach in place?  Instead he forces his unqualified buddy on us.  Please, we may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.  

Maybe he actually believed that Mike Woodson was the right guy for the job? Just because it was dumb doesn’t mean he didn’t believe it.

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14 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

There are, sadly, examples of the extreme behavior of emotionally charged “fans”, but they’re exceedingly rare and shouldn’t drive the decision as to whether a coach stays or goes. If that’s the standard, however, and if people think that could happen with our program and fan base, that would be beyond disappointing and sad. If it occurs, it won’t be because the University failed to fire Woodson in January rather than in early March.

They're not exceedingly rare, they're not even rare. I just gave you examples to look into but I'm not saying any more on any of this. I've made my point and pretty clearly I think. If you and the administration can't understand or fathom that then that's on you and them. For the first time ever people were walking out of the game and chanting to fire the Head Coach, and before halftime no less. You believe what you want. The evidence sits before you, on tape no less. Have a good day.

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No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

It's a process. Let quinn sit in a room with Steve Ferguson and decide.

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

Boos echoing throughout Assembly Hall is what you're getting for the rest of the season....It's going to be super embarrassing on February 8th when Dusty May is cheered when announced and Mike Woodson is booed.  End it now....it's what's best for the long term benefit of the program. Tell me that's not a "reasoned decision based on the results to date". 

Was Woodson introduced with the team before last night's game? I know they've not done that consistently since the current "slide" started... 

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Field of 68 good watch. First segment was IU. Was a good one.

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1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

Here’s the reason. Not saying it is so compelling that there aren’t counter arguments, but there is a real reason:

There are no good options right now. Given that there are no good options, the “less bad option“ might be to create a situation in which a program legend 65 year-old head coach doesn’t get the living **** booed out of him during every home game. That is deflating for the fan base, humiliating for Coach Woodson, and extraordinarily demoralizing for the players.

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13 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What “long-thought-out-decisions” are you referring to? You seem to think this is a recent issue with IU, and it’s far from that. But it’s not the process, it’s the leadership. If you have insight into IU, this isn’t revelatory. 

How did we end up consistently with such lousy leadership?

Answer: flawed process.

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3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

Here's one:

He sucks.