Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[KathywithaC 586]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Not sure why this thread is so active… Kathy has made it pretty clear. We’re supposed to sit here stone faced until the end of the year and mindlessly say “go IU” the whole time… anything else is patently absurd and overly emotional. Lol 

Have said nothing of the sort, though I have said there’s a process as to how this will get done, and people are angry about that reality.

[Kentuckysucks 2,362]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I use the term because it’s accurate. I understand what some here want and I understand the “I’m hearing” gossip, though. We all want an elite program again, so the emotion is understandable.

 

[Tasmanian Devil 1,643]

9 minutes ago, DoctorP said:

No, you’re not. 

In her (it’s??) mind, it is.

[KathywithaC 586]

6 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

From my standpoint it would help to resolve the current apathy around the program. I doubt it saves this season but getting the fan base re-energized, and having the coaching search start in earnest now rather than in 2 months, has obvious benefits for next season and beyond.

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results. The energy around the program will rebound when a new coach is named, and that’s not happening for a couple of months, at the earliest. Even with a mid-season dismissal, they aren’t getting traction on a replacement until the season ends. Nobody in an existing job is interviewing now. Those are the only obvious things at this point.

[Home Jersey 8,444]

14 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Removing Woodson before the next home game is not a basketball decision but a prudent risk management decision based on legitimate concerns about crowd control and physical safety at this point. 

Since you are confused @KathywithaC I will be more blunt. After the deafening boos and fire Mike Woodson chants yesterday, how many more occasions are you willing to let the man bear the brunt of 17,000+ angry fans in a stadium? How long do you think before that anger boils over and escalates in an unpredictable (and likely very unsafe) way? Human psychology is different in a large group like that and can become volatile quickly. Institutions have shown themselves to be woefully tone deaf and inept over the years when it comes to managing security and proactively dealing with safety threats. You want to fix this before it becomes fun for people to push the limits of bad behavior. God forbid anyone is physically harmed or other horror stories. 

[PartyintheVillas 183]

Ckathy is displaying a ton of emotion here (pride being the largest), but hiding behind grammar and punctuation. People with insider knowledge don't only react and pass such sweeping judgement as Ckathy does. Furthermore, emotion is an important part of sports and fandom, sometimes it's the best part. To remove emotion is to remove humanity. Ckathy's continued projection of the fanbase being overly emotional continues to miss and ignore the passion and knowledge of the fanbase, which is part of what has made Indiana basketball special for 100 years. In 49 states it's just basketball.

[KathywithaC 586]

3 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

 

See, “visceral” is apt. Lol.

[sirhoosierlot 2,845]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results. The energy around the program will rebound when a new coach is named, and that’s not happening for a couple of months, at the earliest. Even with a mid-season dismissal, they aren’t getting traction on a replacement until the season ends. Nobody in an existing job is interviewing now. Those are the only obvious things at this point.

Who cares? 

[TheWatShot 14,201]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results. The energy around the program will rebound when a new coach is named, and that’s not happening for a couple of months, at the earliest. Even with a mid-season dismissal, they aren’t getting traction on a replacement until the season ends. Nobody in an existing job is interviewing now. Those are the only obvious things at this point.

The results really wouldn't be that important. With Woodson here, all we're doing is playing games anyway. Not really competing for anything. 

 

Like I said, ivory tower. 

[KathywithaC 586]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Since you are confused @KathywithaC I will be more blunt. After the deafening boos and fire Mike Woodson chants yesterday, how many more occasions are you willing to let the man bear the brunt of 17,000+ angry fans in a stadium? How long do you think before that anger boils over and escalates in an unpredictable (and likely very unsafe) way? Human psychology is different in a large group like that and can become volatile quickly. Institutions have shown themselves to be woefully tone deaf and inept over the years when it comes to managing security and proactively dealing with safety threats. You want to fix this before it becomes fun for people to push the limits of bad behavior. God forbid anyone is physically harmed or other horror stories. 

What types of reactions do you envision? Are you embellishing or do you really believe IU fans will become violent? Should Woodson be concerned for his safety, and that of his family? 

[PartyintheVillas 183]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results. 

Do you have any data to back up this claim?

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,331]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results. The energy around the program will rebound when a new coach is named, and that’s not happening for a couple of months, at the earliest. Even with a mid-season dismissal, they aren’t getting traction on a replacement until the season ends. Nobody in an existing job is interviewing now. Those are the only obvious things at this point.

You aren't looking at this correctly and you're clearly disconnected on how absolutely pissed off 95%+ of us are. 

You've proven this by your first sentence. 

[KathywithaC 586]

4 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Ckathy is displaying a ton of emotion here (pride being the largest), but hiding behind grammar and punctuation. People with insider knowledge don't only react and pass such sweeping judgement as Ckathy does. Furthermore, emotion is an important part of sports and fandom, sometimes it's the best part. To remove emotion is to remove humanity. Ckathy's continued projection of the fanbase being overly emotional continues to miss and ignore the passion and knowledge of the fanbase, which is part of what has made Indiana basketball special for 100 years. In 49 states it's just basketball.

I’m not arguing against emotion, but it’s not a great way to make long term and beneficial decisions.

[Home Jersey 8,444]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

What types of reactions do you envision? Are you embellishing or do you really believe IU fans will become violent? Should Woodson be concerned for his safety, and that of his family? 

Of course they should not HAVE to be concerned, but it’s an unfortunate reality that we’re talking about a large group of passionate people. Statistically you’re likely to have a few unhinged people among the group. The longer this toxic environment is allowed to persist, the higher the risk of something bad happening. Recent historical events have shown how easy it is for a crowd of thousands to overwhelm security details. Who is to say if we lose by 50 at home to Purdue, fans won’t start pelting Woodson, directing slurs at his family, confronting them in aggressive ways? These are not things that should happen but the reality is they sometimes do. Hope it doesn’t happen here but we are currently running that risk and it’s on the admin to step in before something happens. My opinion… that’s where the program is at.

[mdiu28 1,844]

19 minutes ago, hoosiersoxfan said:

From what I've been told, QB remains an issue with how/when we move on from Woodson and he will still want to be a large voice in deciding who we would hire going forward even with his term ending this year.

Someone send QB on an all expenses paid vacation for the next 3 months. Preferably somewhere with incredibly bad cell service. 

[PartyintheVillas 183]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m not arguing against emotion, but it’s not a great way to make long term and beneficial decisions.

Do you have any data to back up this claim. Emotions are a very important reason to make decisions. Steve Jobs relied on emotions to build a business. How you make people feel is as important as what you do. Considering emotions is essential to decision making processes.

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[Mr. Hoosier Pride 544]

8 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results.

I say we test this hypothesis 

[Tasmanian Devil 1,643]

7 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Ckathy is displaying a ton of emotion here (pride being the largest), but hiding behind grammar and punctuation. People with insider knowledge don't only react and pass such sweeping judgement as Ckathy does. Furthermore, emotion is an important part of sports and fandom, sometimes it's the best part. To remove emotion is to remove humanity. Ckathy's continued projection of the fanbase being overly emotional continues to miss and ignore the passion and knowledge of the fanbase, which is part of what has made Indiana basketball special for 100 years. In 49 states it's just basketball.

Ckathy may very well be AH1971. Trolls forget themselves. When has Kw-C and AH posted at the same time?? Coincidence?

[CrossboneIU22 1,221]

35 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What benefit to the program would exist by firing him now? How would that improve the program in the near term, which is the only real impact it would have. Would we be more competitive? Win more games? Serve the interests of the players?

It would serve to make the university not look like fools/idiots, whatever you want to call it, by being booed at HOME and having the student section chanting Fire Woodson during games loudly!  You can't lose the fans and last night, I saw it with my own eyes, that they lost the fans, they lost the students (saw students on the jumbotron giving thumbs down signs and covering the INDIANA on their chest because they are embarrassed), they literally lost the student section for the 2nd half of the game (they left).  I have never started the game in Assembly Hall and then finished the game on my couch (live) until last night, and I live 45 minutes away from Bloomington.  I was ashamed to be a Hoosier last night.  I went to IU, I graduated from IU, I have been a fan since I was born.  I was at IU when Knight was fired.  I had Mike Davis as my teacher for a semester.  I was in Assembly Hall, sandwiched between Fife and Newton when we beat Michigan State on Haston's 3 at the buzzer to win and stormed the court.  I never missed a game, basketball or football while I attended school at IU.  I am a season ticket holder in Football, Basketball, and Soccer.  I also have shifted all of my donations directed to the Football program and away from this basketball program until Woodson is removed. 

A lot of people say that there isn't a conceivable reason you fire a coach mid-season and I would tend to agree except in the situation like this.  You lose the fans and supporters, you have to make a change immediately.  Making the change won't guarantee that the team plays better (although it could under an interim coach, albeit unlikely) but it shows the supporters of the program that their is accountability and standards that MUST be met at this program.  It sets a precedent with the players of what is acceptable and what is not.  Again, it alters the atmosphere so the players are not being booed off the floor because there is hope for the future of the program again.  Or at the very least, announce a change WILL be made (a retirement at season end) so that brings the hope of brighter days ahead.  Right now, its all doom and gloom and that has to be changed and changed immediately!

[Papacap 523]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The odds are high that firing him now would produce a worse, not better, record over the balance of the season. Interim coaches rarely produce better results. The energy around the program will rebound when a new coach is named, and that’s not happening for a couple of months, at the earliest. Even with a mid-season dismissal, they aren’t getting traction on a replacement until the season ends. Nobody in an existing job is interviewing now. Those are the only obvious things at this point.

Those are valid reasons why you don’t fire him now. Nothing to do with knee jerk reactions. More about strategery.

But there are valid reasons why you fire him now even if it doesn’t result in a better record. You decisively show that this performance is unacceptable. You remove a lot of the fan vitriol and toxic atmosphere that will be present at home games this year. And you say no matter what the record is, there will be a new coach next year. Again, I’m not saying that’s the only way to go. I think it’s absolutely a valid way though.