Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[ap2345 7,864]

12 hours ago, Pagoda said:

His buyout is $5M and goes down $1M each year.  Not great, but doable.

His buyout is pretty cheap compared to most of the guys IU should be targeting 

[Muskie plays the four 99]

6 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

So, who exactly are you defending here?

The guys running drugs?

Or, the guys who ran the team APR down to about zero?

Or, the guy who decided to throw a potted plant at the head of one of the coaches?

And, I am sure you realize that some of these guys were one in the same.

So which category didn’t matter, as long as we were winning, as you said?

Arman Basset is a hoot to have a drink with. 

[IndianaSconnie90 188]

2 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

So, who exactly are you defending here?

The guys running drugs?

Or, the guys who ran the team APR down to about zero?

Or, the guy who decided to throw a potted plant at the head of one of the coaches?

And, I am sure you realize that some of these guys were one in the same.

So which category didn’t matter, as long as we were winning, as you said?

Guess you were in a coma for the RMK years lol he didn't exactly have the greatest track record either. 

Point is, I'm not going to debate instances from back in the early 2000s with you. When we were winning, nobody cared about the behind the scenes issues. Same thing with a HOF coach who also coached at IU, I believe you know the one. 

For whatever flaws Sampson had here, he sure as hell seems to have found out how to put winning teams on the floor, and IU couldn't be further from putting consistent winners on the floor

[ap2345 7,864]

53 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Who’s opinion is this?

Someone who matters?

Oh no, not right now. That was purely me. I did a bit of a deep dive on him earlier and came away very impressed. 

[ap2345 7,864]

Beard won’t be a legit candidate for the IU job. There’s baggage besides what has been made public that IU wouldn’t touch.

[Hovadipo 56,190]

10 minutes ago, Muskie plays the four said:

Arman Basset is a hoot to have a drink with. 

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[Muskie plays the four 99]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Beard won’t be a legit candidate for the IU job. There’s baggage besides what has been made public that IU wouldn’t touch.

Yeah he was infamous in San Angelo. 

[Home Jersey 7,581]

22 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

I was actually referring to the "up and comers" of right now that seem to be circulating among the fanbase. The BMs, Buckys, etc. 

Look, I get why some people would have a problem with Beard's baggage. However, since getting another shot he seems to be doing well to this point, to my knowledge. I'm just saying, if he were able to maintain good behavior off the court it would be hard to defend not hiring him. He's one of the few coaches who moves the needle instantly, along with Pearl. 

I wouldn't be opposed to McCollum at all. With all the success we've had with Woodson however, I could be in a state of constant delirium and not entirely sure about anything at this point. 

For sure, he is a great basketball coach. I enjoy watching Ole Miss play.

I'd like to swing for a Stevens, Pearl, May instead (though I think all are pretty unlikely). Not my place to judge a man without walking in his shoes, but I don't want Beard leading the locker room. I don't buy into him in that sense...

It does seem like in the current moment, it's harder to hire away P5 coaches than it has been in the past. Louisville had to reach to College of Charleston. Kentucky went with an alum from BYU. Oklahoma State went to Western Kentucky, etc.

That said, Dolson was able to pony up serious cash for Cig and the football staff. I have to believe he'd be able to get the funds to secure a basketball coach that moves the needle. I hope he surprises everyone and makes a big splash. 

I do think McCollum falls into both "move the needle" and "up and comer" categories but I don't think he's a very likely bet either. As of now I would be satisfied with just about anybody but Mike Woodson next year (with certain caveats, like you know, having been a CBB head coach before). 

[steubenhoosier 874]

11 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Guess you were in a coma for the RMK years lol he didn't exactly have the greatest track record either. 

Point is, I'm not going to debate instances from back in the early 2000s with you. When we were winning, nobody cared about the behind the scenes issues. Same thing with a HOF coach who also coached at IU, I believe you know the one. 

For whatever flaws Sampson had here, he sure as hell seems to have found out how to put winning teams on the floor, and IU couldn't be further from putting consistent winners on the floor

So, nice deflection.

And , you’re not going to debate that time frame because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Which of these behaviors would you put up with?

Don’t recall any guys in the RMK era who got away with not going to class.

Don’t know of any player who tried to physically assault a coach.

Provide some verifiable evidence on these behind the scenes issues.

And, I was a student when the whole Tommy Baker thing went down. He didn’t last long in Bloomington 

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13 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

So, nice deflection.

And , you’re not going to debate that time frame because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Which of these behaviors would you put up with?

Don’t recall any guys in the RMK era who got away with not going to class.

Don’t know of any player who tried to physically assault a coach.

Provide some verifiable evidence on these behind the scenes issues.

And, I was a student when the whole Tommy Baker thing went down. He didn’t last long in Bloomington 

No sure he is so much talking about players under Knight so much as he is talking about Knigh himself which is more important than the players. The man was abusive as all hell and he got way with it because of the times but also because he won

[Muskie plays the four 99]

23 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

So, nice deflection.

And , you’re not going to debate that time frame because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Which of these behaviors would you put up with?

Don’t recall any guys in the RMK era who got away with not going to class.

Don’t know of any player who tried to physically assault a coach.

Provide some verifiable evidence on these behind the scenes issues.

And, I was a student when the whole Tommy Baker thing went down. He didn’t last long in Bloomington 

What was the name of the gas station where players got free gas and cars worked on under Knight. Was that a thing or am I mistaken. 

Edited December 5 by Muskie plays the four

[IndianaSconnie90 188]

7 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

For sure, he is a great basketball coach. I enjoy watching Ole Miss play.

I'd like to swing for a Stevens, Pearl, May instead (though I think all are pretty unlikely). Not my place to judge a man without walking in his shoes, but I don't want Beard leading the locker room. I don't buy into him in that sense...

It does seem like in the current moment, it's harder to hire away P5 coaches than it has been in the past. Louisville had to reach to College of Charleston. Kentucky went with an alum from BYU. Oklahoma State went to Western Kentucky, etc.

That said, Dolson was able to pony up serious cash for Cig and the football staff. I have to believe he'd be able to get the funds to secure a basketball coach that moves the needle. I hope he surprises everyone and makes a big splash. 

I do think McCollum falls into both "move the needle" and "up and comer" categories but I don't think he's a very likely bet either. As of now I would be satisfied with just about anybody but Mike Woodson next year (with certain caveats, like you know, having been a CBB head coach before). 

Was just gonna say, putting Beard to the side,  after how much cheddar they spent on the CTA buyout, I can't imagine they'll be restricted, from a financial position, to go after whoever they want.

Hopefully the Woodson fiasco we've had to witness these painful years will teach some hard lessons in the AD and BoT

[OKHOOSIER 2,305]

Money will not be an object this time. Obviously Woody was a QB vanity hire. I am now firmly in the camp now that Dolson had little control over that one. That being said, any conjecture about what ifs or the past are irrelevant to me. I want the best possible coach that understands the following:

1. The disappointment and angst from fans of my generation (those being the too young to remember the last title group).

2. The expectations from the generation of fans that got to experience IU at the top of the sport. 

3. Modern basketball, I see no reason why IU cannot play like an SEC team in the B1G. Get the athletes of an Auburn, profit.  

4. Commitment to balanced high school recruiting nationwide (Indiana kids if they fit the system, but this means little to me) combined with robust portal work to fill holes. I don't like or think turning over like 5+ transfers is a recipe to long term success, and March has shown that less a couple outliers. 

5. B1G championships are cool, but I care about March. That should be the focus. Building a roster to compete in March. 

 

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8 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

So, nice deflection.

And , you’re not going to debate that time frame because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Which of these behaviors would you put up with?

Don’t recall any guys in the RMK era who got away with not going to class.

Don’t know of any player who tried to physically assault a coach.

Provide some verifiable evidence on these behind the scenes issues.

And, I was a student when the whole Tommy Baker thing went down. He didn’t last long in Bloomington 

Knight certainly physically abused his players.  Personally witnessed it during games multiple times.  He would kick players in the shins as he crouched down to start his timeout rant.  Even did it to his own son.  Everyone looked the other way because he was a legendary coach.  
 

[SlammySammy 70]

Honestly, it's frustrating to see the Stevens talk...again....Based on all of the "inside" info that was passed here and on other platforms, we embarrassed ourselves with how we tried to land him. He actually laughed at the idea of going back to college basketball in multiple interviews..We had ZERO chance, IMO. He does not want to deal with the BS of college basketball...He has said it himself.

Let's focus on realistic candidates who WANT to be at IU. Based purely on resume, I feel McCollum is about to be snatched up by the next big opening and I would hope we are smart enough to grab him. 

 

[IUFAN1976 3,133]

18 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Money will not be an object this time. Obviously Woody was a QB vanity hire. I am now firmly in the camp now that Dolson had little control over that one. That being said, any conjecture about what ifs or the past are irrelevant to me. I want the best possible coach that understands the following:

1. The disappointment and angst from fans of my generation (those being the too young to remember the last title group).

2. The expectations from the generation of fans that got to experience IU at the top of the sport. 

3. Modern basketball, I see no reason why IU cannot play like an SEC team in the B1G. Get the athletes of an Auburn, profit.  

4. Commitment to balanced high school recruiting nationwide (Indiana kids if they fit the system, but this means little to me) combined with robust portal work to fill holes. I don't like or think turning over like 5+ transfers is a recipe to long term success, and March has shown that less a couple outliers. 

5. B1G championships are cool, but I care about March. That should be the focus. Building a roster to compete in March. 

 

The key word in all of what you said is system.  I don’t believe MW actually has a system he recruits to, he just tries to recruit the best available players, and that is why he struggles coaching.  The good coaches in CBB have a system they recruit to and that’s why they are successful 

[ap2345 7,864]

6 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Honestly, it's frustrating to see the Stevens talk...again....Based on all of the "inside" info that was passed here and on other platforms, we embarrassed ourselves with how we tried to land him. He actually laughed at the idea of going back to college basketball in multiple interviews..We had ZERO chance, IMO. He does not want to deal with the BS of college basketball...He has said it himself.

Let's focus on realistic candidates who WANT to be at IU. Based purely on resume, I feel McCollum is about to be snatched up by the next big opening and I would hope we are smart enough to grab him. 

 

You're take is very wrong. What Steven's said publicly is not what he's said privately. Dolson didn't embarrass himself that was the rest of the clown show that couldn't stay out of the way. Not to mention that Dolson hasn't stopped communication with Brad.  

[ap2345 7,864]

I also. I will never say that Brad will take the job. That said Dolson wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't give it a shot whenever the opportunity presents itself. 

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8 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

You're take is very wrong. What Steven's said publicly is not what he's said privately. Dolson didn't embarrass himself that was the rest of the clown show that couldn't stay out of the way. Not to mention that Dolson hasn't stopped communication with Brad.  

lol!!!

[AZ Hoosier 7,169]

1 hour ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Was just gonna say, putting Beard to the side,  after how much cheddar they spent on the CTA buyout, I can't imagine they'll be restricted, from a financial position, to go after whoever they want.

Hopefully the Woodson fiasco we've had to witness these painful years will teach some hard lessons in the AD and BoT

I'd like to think that Dolson failed to act because he was effectively neutered by Quinn Buckner and the BoT. Hopefully he was not completely complicit in this dumpster fire.

When nepotism is involved, results rarely matter.This was about Buckner giving the job and tens of millions of dollars to an unqualified friend. Clearly he doesn't care about the program... and it's highly unlike that he learned a &@^% thing... except how to fleece the university that some say he loves. Do the math and follow the money.