Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfan2017 20,876]

3 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

If you had Millers resume at UD next to Mays resume at FAU without the names attached you would hire Miller 10/10.

The Dusty May fascination is 90% because he has an IU connection, imo. If he was Dusty May, former manager at Central Michigan University, people wouldn’t want him nearly as much. He’s had one great season as a head coach. We just hired and fired a mid-major coach who had more success in a better conference. May’s supporters say “there’s no comparison to Archie,” but there’s no way to know that. Archie was more proven at the time. I’d rather hire a proven P5 guy. I can’t do the whole “sure we stink in year 3 but we need to give him time” thing again. IU needs someone who can win right away because the fan base’s patience is completely gone. 

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

I can’t give you a better example of a mid major one hit wonder. 

Ok, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it... so, now, YOU are the AD... what do you do with this clown orgy? Keep Woodson? Replace him? If you replace him, who do you tag?

It's fine to pooh-pooh May if that's your opinion, but who coaches Indiana in the 2024-25 season?

[ISP 924]

1 hour ago, Unexpectedflash said:

They're 20-7 now and their defense has taken a big step back (99 on kenpom now). I just know our fanbase and if we had a final four team that returned 14 out of 15 people and did not get much better there would be questions. I like Dusty don't get me wrong but I think having concerns is valid. He is not a slam dunk when we need one after all the losing. In all likelihood he is probably the best we can get and I could see him succeeding but it's not the given a lot of people want to make it out to be. 

They are not 20-7 they are 20-6. 

At this point in the season, Brad Stevens had Butler 14-9 the season after their first Final 4. 

31 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Archie Miller had a better resume coming out of UD in a tougher conference. Can’t believe fans think Dusty May is the answer.

Archie was coaching a program that was already awesome. The coach prior to Archie had 4 straight 20+ win seasons and the coach after him has had 20+ wins in 5 of his last 6 seasons and would have been a #1 seed had Covid not hit. 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,876]

10 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

At schools that aren’t remotely comparable in terms of previous success.  Are you really trying to argue that starting point and resources don’t matter to the comparison?

I don’t particularly care about how much a coach did or didn’t “build a program.” Sure, a guy can go to a school and slowly build a successful program with little to no success. We’re not asking him to come build a program for the Little Sisters of the Poor. We’d be asking him to come jump into the lion’s den and compete with the very best of the best on the court and in the recruiting world. He’s never done that or anything close to that as a head coach. Archie was better prepared to come do that coming from a school like Dayton than May would be coming from a school like FAU. 

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Ok, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it... so, now, YOU are the AD... what do you do with this clown orgy? Keep Woodson? Replace him? If you replace him, who do you tag?

It's fine to pooh-pooh May if that's your opinion, but who coaches Indiana in the 2024-25 season?

No… my opinion is based off the numbers. You tell me how May comes here, recruits high major talent and wins? There is zero proof that happens.

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The Dusty May fascination is 90% because he has an IU connection, imo. If he was Dusty May, former manager at Central Michigan University, people wouldn’t want him nearly as much. He’s had one great season as a head coach. We just hired and fired a mid-major coach who had more success in a better conference. May’s supporters say “there’s no comparison to Archie,” but there’s no way to know that. Archie was more proven at the time. I’d rather hire a proven P5 guy. I can’t do the whole “sure we stink in year 3 but we need to give him time” thing again. IU needs someone who can win right away because the fan base’s patience is completely gone. 

Exactly. It’s an IU love story. You HAVE to hire a proven guy

[Hoosierfan2017 20,876]

3 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Exactly. It’s an IU love story. You HAVE to hire a proven guy

The “we need an IU guy” obsession got us the Mike Woodson disaster. Instead of realizing that the college a basketball coach went to decades in the past shouldn’t be a “double check plus” in the job search, some people are doubling down and demanding the mid-major flavor of the month. It’s Archie Miller and Mike Woodson combined into one. 

[mdiu28 1,752]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

After a game on Sunday afternoon what would be a  appropriate response be. I want Woodson gone but to get upset that he is sitting around with friends isn't the problem 

What does the day/time matter is my question to you? They just lost, on their home floor, to Northwestern. The message he's sending every single person it that building - whether that's coaching staff, players, or a secretary - is losing doesn't bother me. Teams take after their coach and this is exactly what's happening to IU. We're lazy, undisciplined, and have no direction. 

After that loss, would you rather see our head coach smoking cigars and drinking wine with his buddies or getting his @$$ back to work, figuring out WHY we just lost to NW at home, meeting with his staff, planning for the next one, etc? Coach Cig hasn't coached a game in the B1G but he's at least in his office every freaking morning before the sun rises getting ready. Our basketball coach is smoking cigars and drinking wine after a home loss. 

FIGURE IT OUT, COACH. Until then, take the wine and cigars home.

[coonhounds 8,787]

The “we need an IU guy” obsession got us the Mike Woodson disaster. Instead of realizing that the college a basketball coach went to decades in the past shouldn’t be a “double check plus” in the job search, some people are doubling down and demanding the mid-major flavor of the month. It’s Archie Miller and Mike Woodson combined into one. 

I laugh at this! The we need a iu guy crowd got screwed. Guarantee nobody in the we need a iu club was suggesting a guy who just played here at had 0 college experience! I think most were thinking fife Alford Lewis with some college experience. Alford really the only real possible qualified guy on that list imo. I am not a we need a iu guy cause that is stupid. We need a winner. We should fire Woodson today and not hire a new coach until we find a winner. I would rather them sit out next season then hire another turd or allow this crap to continue

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[Alford Bailey 12,350]

14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The “we need an IU guy” obsession got us the Mike Woodson disaster. Instead of realizing that the college a basketball coach went to decades in the past shouldn’t be a “double check plus” in the job search, some people are doubling down and demanding the mid-major flavor of the month. It’s Archie Miller and Mike Woodson combined into one. 

I would have thought we learned a lesson by now

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19 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Exactly. It’s an IU love story. You HAVE to hire a proven guy

Serious question: What proven guy are we going to hire? 
 

Beard = doubtful because of baggage 

Pearl = doubtful because of baggage and buyout 

Drew = maybe?, but he’s got a good thing going and apparently isn’t liked by Indiana high school coaches 

[TheWatShot 13,644]

"IU guy" was always code for Steve Alford. 

[TheWatShot 13,644]

59 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

You are correct it’s not fair comparison. Miller was light years ahead of May.

You forget to log out of a burner account or something? Kind of weird to agree with your own post 2 minutes later. 

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

8 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

You forget to log out of a burner account or something? Kind of weird to agree with your own post 2 minutes later. 

You got anything to add to conversation? Kinda odd to make sh** up

[Hoosierfan2017 20,876]

29 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I laugh at this! The we need a iu guy crowd got screwed. Guarantee nobody in the we need a iu club was suggesting a guy who just played here at had 0 college experience! I think most were thinking fife Alford Lewis with some college experience. Alford really the only real possible qualified guy on that list imo. I am not a we need a iu guy cause that is stupid. We need a winner. We should fire Woodson today and not hire a new coach until we find a winner. I would rather them sit out next season then hire another turd or allow this crap to continue

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The “IU guy” crowd is ridiculous and should be completely ignored, imho. The insistence on an IU guy got us Mike Woodson. There are no qualified IU guys. Fife, Alford, Lewis. None of them are guys the fanbase would want if they didn’t go to IU. Steve Alford is the most qualified of the bunch, and he’s bounced around from school to school delivering mediocre results for the past 20+ years. 

“IU guy,” if ever considered, should only be considered when judging between two equally qualified candidates. It should never take someone from non-candidate to candidate like it did for Mike Woodson, and like people are trying to do for Dusty May. 

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

Heard someone say a while back you hire a coach that strikes the most fear in your rivals. Not sure any of our rivals are afraid of Dusty May.

[go iu bb 5,510]

4 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

You got anything to add to conversation? Kinda odd to make sh** up

What's he making up? You replied to yourself like it was someone else a short time after the first post.

 

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1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

Heard someone say a while back you hire a coach that strikes the most fear in your rivals. Not sure any of our rivals are afraid of Dusty May.

It's the Dusty.  Too much like the nice little boy next door.  Needs to be something like Mad Dog or Killer.

[Scotty R 2,127]

54 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

No… my opinion is based off the numbers. You tell me how May comes here, recruits high major talent and wins? There is zero proof that happens.

I hate to tell you this but most power conference hires don't come from other power conferences. It will come from the mid major programs or assistants from high major programs. Mike Decourcy last night said in the last 10 years only 15% of power conference hires came from other power conference.

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

7 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

What's he making up? You replied to yourself like it was someone else a short time after the first post.

 

Don’t know what happened. But who gives a f**k?