Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 20,438]

We'll be going into year 4 with a roster that needs completely overhauled. An overhaul needed because of failures by this staff, not Archie Miller; because of failures by a staff that some want to keep. We need more shooting, more athleticism, more depth. We have one commit, one that's supposed to be a good shooter but isn't much of an athlete.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,844]

I wanted Woodson fired on day 0. It was a joke of a hire by a joke of an administration. If IU brings him back for a fourth season? That’s as clear of a sign that they give zero craps about winning that you’ll ever get. Act accordingly. 

[JSHoosier 20,438]

13 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

Most of Crean's players from the 2016 title team weren't even from this state. That is massively overblown. Especially in today's game. 

You don't need to recruit Indiana alone or have a roster almost entirely of IN players; and it's good to have a staff with connections to other areas.  We should be strong in Indiana and the border states though.

[LamarCheeks 19,548]

11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Good luck to any IU head coach that doesn’t recruit the state.   One those players was Yogi right? All time leading assist at IU 

Yep.

There also was a fella named Blackmon on that team. He wasn't half-bad either! 

[GoIU8 205]

16 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The last time Bob Knight missed the tournament at IU was 1984-1985. With Crean missed a 64 team field plenty of times, Crean even missed the NIT once in those last few years.

Down years do happen, but expecting to make a (now) 68 team field every year isn't setting the bar very high.

Crean missed the postseason once in 6 years. Compared to the GOAT that's not very good. But then again, those with unrealistic expectations,  nothing will ever be good enough. People get on here and say they'd love to have a coach like Painter, but he would've 100% been pushed out after that bad 3 year stretch he had 10 years ago, by the same people that pushed Crean out.

[Golfman25 5,747]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Because IU is low hanging fruit right now and they can say half truths without doing any research on the matter.    Archie was recruiting Smith and if he hadn’t gotten fired I’m guessing he would be a Hoosier.    But he did get fired. 

Smith committed to purdue in April 29th of 2021  

Woodson was hired March 29 of 2021 

https://www.insidethehall.com/2020/07/01/hes-grown-up-quickly-how-braden-smith-is-changing-the-culture-of-westfield-high-school-basketball/

the narrative IU and Woodson passed on Smith is lazy but easy to spin.    IU was recruiting him they just happened to fire the staff that was recruiting him 

Was he offered or not?  Did Archie offer him?  

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Just now, GoIU8 said:

Crean missed the postseason once in 6 years. Compared to the GOAT that's not very good. But then again, those with unrealistic expectations,  nothing will ever be good enough. People get on here and say they'd love to have a coach like Painter, but he would've 100% been pushed out after that bad 3 year stretch he had 10 years ago, by the same people that pushed Crean out.

I mean crean went to georgia right after and was terrible even with Anthony edwards there. Mike white has Georgia in a much better spot after two years than crean ever did. I appreciate some of the fun teams Crean had but just because we suck now doesn't mean Crean should still be coach. 

[IUCrazy2 2,543]

35 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Yup, IU needs to get back to recruiting tough, skilled basketball players that care about winning, care about getting better, etc., regardless of where they're ranked. 

Not saying you don't recruit highly ranked, NBA type guys, you need some of them, but they need to fit the mold of the first paragraph (Zeller, JHS, TJD, etc). 

The thing with those kids is that you have to have a system they fit in and coaches who develop them.  It isn't just a matter of going out and grabbing Braden Smith and plugging him in for Xavier Johnson.  The system sucks and the coaching sucks.  I watched Gabe Cupps give up a wide open 3 last night because he had a defender coming at him.  He passes up the good shot, dribbles inside the arc about 3 feet, and then launches a long, off balance 2...and misses.  

I don't care who you bring in here, you, as a coaching staff, have to put them into a position to win.  Our guys don't do that.  Mr. NBA isn't doing it and the 3 recruiters and former terrible college coach aren't doing it.  We lost several decades of college experience in Fife and Matta and we haven't done anything to replace it.  And it shows.

One last thing, our strength and conditioning program sucks @$$.  I don't care if players look like the hulk at the end of each summer.  We always appear a step slow and more winded than the other team.  Kick that dude to the curb with Hill, Hunter, and Rosemond this summer and bring in guys who do more than recruit or get a front row nap to every game.

[Golfman25 5,747]

45 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I know NIL is the new reality, but if a player is choosing IU simply because we are paying the most NIL money then all is lost.  You don't build a program that way.  

So maybe Fife was right?

 

Incoming.  :)

[GoIU8 205]

22 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Good luck to any IU head coach that doesn’t recruit the state.   One those players was Yogi right? All time leading assist at IU 

UConn's best players are never from Connecticut. Neither is Kentucky's. Or Gonzaga. Chris Beard came 1 minute away from winning a title with guys who have zero connection to Lubbock, Texas. Archie got a bunch of players from here and we see how that worked out. It's asinine to think it's somehow impossible to win unless you recruit players within a 100 mile radius of IU. 

[Uspshoosier 46,329]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Was he offered or not?  Did Archie offer him?  

He like every high major team had not offered him a scholarship at the time of his firing.   Sounded like one was coming or at least the staff was making an effort of recruiting him before he ultimately got canned 

[HoosierHoopster 7,228]

41 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

At the risk of being off-topic and irrationally positive, I’ll offer this:

The four historically biggest profile sports at IU have been (in order) men’s basketball, football, soccer, and women’s basketball.

We are in absolute glory years for numbers 3 and 4; and have the most fun and interesting outlook for number 2 in memory. It’s our top dog sport that is suffering, which is a damn shame, but there’s lots to root for in Bloomington.

Moren was such a home run hire. The coaching acumen, the balance of offense and D, the emphasis on shooting, the constant recruiting, including foreign players, the face of women’s basketball.

We need that on the men’s side 

[IUCrazy2 2,543]

5 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

UConn's best players are never from Connecticut. Neither is Kentucky's. Or Gonzaga. Chris Beard came 1 minute away from winning a title with guys who have zero connection to Lubbock, Texas. Archie got a bunch of players from here and we see how that worked out. It's asinine to think it's somehow impossible to win unless you recruit players within a 100 mile radius of IU. 

It is all about culture.  We don't have one anymore.  Indiana kids are going to have a little more buy in.  You don't have Anthony Leal waiting around for 4 years for a few chances to contribute if he is from New Jersey.  A core group of Indiana dudes on the team are where you build your culture and stability.

The reason the players didn't work for Archie is because of Archie, not because of where the players were from.

ETA:  Also, outside of Texas, the places you mentioned aren't exactly oozing HS basketball talent.  Kentucky goes national because they have to.  Same with UConn.  They couldn't sustain a program with home grown talent if they wanted to.

[LamarCheeks 19,548]

7 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

UConn's best players are never from Connecticut. Neither is Kentucky's. Or Gonzaga. Chris Beard came 1 minute away from winning a title with guys who have zero connection to Lubbock, Texas. Archie got a bunch of players from here and we see how that worked out. It's asinine to think it's somehow impossible to win unless you recruit players within a 100 mile radius of IU. 

LOL! 

[str8baller 5,515]

44 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

Lmao that's not blaming anyone. Want me to blame old fans? Ok I can. Who pushed out a 2x big ten title winning coach? It sure as hell wasn't young people clamoring for the old days they never experienced. Even looking at Knight's time here, even he wasn't elite every single year like we expected Crean to be. 

Lol…you can’t blame old fans for low standards and then come in arguing for Crean. I actually feel sorry for young fans that Crean was your high water mark. But if that’s the coach you want you’re definitely the one with lax standards.  

[GoIU8 205]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Lol…you can’t blame old fans for low standards and then come in arguing for Crean. I actually feel sorry for young fans that Crean was your high water mark. But if that’s the coach you want you’re definitely the one with lax standards.  

It's not low standards, it's having a lax attitude towards being mediocre. Younger fans are more realistic because we aren't expecting a championship every other year, unlike some, because we weren't around for any of it. Crean was the best coach we could get, and he wasn't good enough to win a championship so he got pushed out. And we've gotten worse with every coach ever since. 

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8 hours ago, Hornsby said:

NIl money is great but if you are going against big boys it doesn't mean much they can match it. You can beat out a school like minnesota but not kansas

 

 

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Didn't we beat out KU for MM and McNeely 

[Uspshoosier 46,329]

8 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

UConn's best players are never from Connecticut. Neither is Kentucky's. Or Gonzaga. Chris Beard came 1 minute away from winning a title with guys who have zero connection to Lubbock, Texas.

Ok.   UConn has a recruiting pocket in the East where they recruit.  Kentucky is a national brand they along with Kansas and Duke are able to recruit nationally besides Kentucky isn’t a hot bed recruiting area.  Beard has plenty of Texas born kids on that roster which is smart since it’s a hot recruiting bed.   There is a reason coaches like Izzo recruit the state of Indiana so hard because its a hot bed for talent even being a smaller state then others.  It’s asinine to think the Indiana head coach shouldn’t recruit the state hard.    Crean had a top 50 guard that would have crawled to Bloomington but he messed it up and he went to win a national championship with Virginia.   The next year he missed out all 4 top 40 players from the state 

[LamarCheeks 19,548]

1 minute ago, GoIU8 said:

It's not low standards, it's having a lax attitude towards being mediocre. Younger fans are more realistic because we aren't expecting a championship every other year, unlike some, because we weren't around for any of it. 

You're accusing older fans of having a lax attitude toward being medicre, then essentially saying younger fans are OK with mediocrity. 

[GoIU8 205]

1 minute ago, LamarCheeks said:

You're accusing older fans of having a lax attitude toward being medicre, then essentially saying younger fans are OK with mediocrity. 

Crean won 2 big ten titles in 4 years lmao. That's not mediocre.