IUBB 2023 B1G Tournament March 8-12, 2023

[Brass Cannon]

12 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Impressive company for sure, but I so badly want TJD to be remembered as fondly as those guys, and he can do that by a deep tournament run.

Barring a special run this year Trayce will be another great What If conversation. What if we hadn’t blown the Archie Hire.  Trayce would have possibly played all 4 years with a decent coach.  A coach in years 3-6 of their tenure with a system in place. 

[IU_FanClub]

On a st Patrick’s day trolley and then headed to the united center. That place might be as drunk an environment as we’ve ever had 

[Brass Cannon]

I don’t know about anybody else but I am hopeful that our game starts super later because of a quadruple OT instant classic 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Woodson doesn't have a blind spot. Stewart and Kopp were the best options at those spots last season. The only other viable options were Galloway and Phinisee, and the reality is that both those guys were taking minutes from Stewart and Kopp when they were healthy. 

IIRC, Galloway got a start over Stewart at one point (I don't mean the @NW game) but then agrevated his groin in thst game or before the next game. 

The issue was Phinisee and Galloway couldn't stay healthy. Bates was absolutely not an option to take time from those guys last season. 

On JG, he's had some brief moments in his career, but just hasn't been able to put any consistency together in terms of playing to his role and playing smart basketball. There's just not much of a role for him, especially when Reneau is playing well and staying out of foul trouble. 

Yeah disagree, Woodson clearly overplays exp, and he absolutely had options last season. Stewart wad terrible, you’re looking for 1 game? He started only bc of his experience level, and the possibility he might shoot to keep defenses honest— except he barely shot and as a team we shot on volume at the very bottom of the conference. That Galloway was already a much better player and better fit on the floor was already obvious. It’s obvious that he could develop the outside shot to add to his game and the team’s offense, while being one of the better defensive players, and Stewart couldn’t defend my mother. JG hasn’t found consistency, agreed, but he played well in extended minutes when starting, not coming in cold for short spurts while Race stays on the floor after multiple mistakes and poor play like last night. How much of his current inability to get back to playing with impact is lack of minutes or not being 100 percent isn’t clear, you can’t do anything in 3 minutes. To say there’s not much of a role for him after his excellent play during our best run and highest offensive output games (which you then complimented but now are ignoring) is just to ignore what he’s already shown.

What we do agree on is Malik’s growth in avoiding fouling— that was holding him back, but he’s gradually been developing to avoid the fouling, and he was excellent yesterday 

[tomallenfan1]

It’s that time again

[tkbbn]

20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I don’t know about anybody else but I am hopeful that our game starts super later because of a quadruple OT instant classic 

Maybe Sensabaugh will hit a 3 to send it to overtime?  Oh wait nevermind.

[realTomCrean]

Malik 8 & 8 today 

[BGleas]

8 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yeah disagree, Woodson clearly overplays exp, and he absolutely had options last season. Stewart wad terrible, you’re looking for 1 game? He started only bc of his experience level, and the possibility he might shoot to keep defenses honest— except he barely shot and as a team we shot on volume at the very bottom of the conference. That Galloway was already a much better player and better fit on the floor was already obvious. It’s obvious that he could develop the outside shot to add to his game and the team’s offense, while being one of the better defensive players, and Stewart couldn’t defend my mother. JH hasn’t found consistency, agreed, but he played well in extended minutes when starting, not coming in cold for short spurts while Race stays on the floor after multiple mistakes and poor play like last night. How much of his current inability to get back to playing with impact is lack of minutes or not being 100 percent isn’t clear, you can’t do anything in 3 minutes. To say there’s not much of a role for him after his excellent play during our best run and highest offensive output games (which you then complimented but now are ignoring) is just to ignore what he’s already shown

Stewart and Kopp were the best options when Galloway and Phinisee werent healthy, clearly. Galloway and Phinsee both took minutes from Stewart and Kopp when they were healthy. There were games, when those guys were healthy which wasn't often, that Kopp and/or Stewart only played about 15 minutes. 

So what you're calling for was actually happening when we were healthy. You're also vastly over-blowing how bad Stewart was to support your position. 

You're also over-blowing JG's performances. He was fantastic against Wisconsin, no argument there. That might be his best IU performance to-date.

He was bad in the first half at Illinois and then really good in the second half. The next game against MSU he only played 13 minutes. 

Then let's not forget how bad he was in the threw games before that. 

His role is match-up dependent often at this point. TJD is playing 35+ minutes every night, so the only availbe minutes are at the 4 and right now Race and Malik are both better. 

[RaceToTheTop]

42 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Barring a special run this year Trayce will be another great What If conversation. What if we hadn’t blown the Archie Hire.  Trayce would have possibly played all 4 years with a decent coach.  A coach in years 3-6 of their tenure with a system in place. 

You don't get invited to many parties, do you?

[Banksyrules]

Would be ok if our guards just stick in the perimeter and let let TJD, Malik, and Race handle their man  on their own?

[RaceToTheTop]

3 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Would be ok if our guards just stick in the perimeter and let let TJD, Malik, and Race handle their man  on their own?

Galloway is the best we have in hedging just enough that he can get back  to his man on the kick out.

Yesterday, though, Bates did that very, very well.

[Banksyrules]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Galloway is the best we have in hedging just enough that he can get back  to his man on the kick out.

Yesterday, though, Bates did that very, very well.

I agree but with Penn State I’m just wondering if we do that because they’re so perimeter orientated. I wouldn’t recommend this for Purdue.  

[hoosierbgh]

8 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Stewart and Kopp were the best options when Galloway and Phinisee werent healthy, clearly. Galloway and Phinsee both took minutes from Stewart and Kopp when they were healthy. There were games, when those guys were healthy which wasn't often, that Kopp and/or Stewart only played about 15 minutes. 

So what you're calling for was actually happening when we were healthy. You're also vastly over-blowing how bad Stewart was to support your position. 

You're also over-blowing JG's performances. He was fantastic against Wisconsin, no argument there. That might be his best IU performance to-date.

He was bad in the first half at Illinois and then really good in the second half. The next game against MSU he only played 13 minutes. 

Then let's not forget how bad he was in the threw games before that. 

His role is match-up dependent often at this point. TJD is playing 35+ minutes every night, so the only availbe minutes are at the 4 and right now Race and Malik are both better. 

I couldn't agree more, especially the part in bold. JG doesn't seem to do well when his opponent is quicker than he is. He can play against bigger players, provided they are slow and plodding but can't handle anyone with speed. 

[HoosierHoopster]

18 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Stewart and Kopp were the best options when Galloway and Phinisee werent healthy, clearly. Galloway and Phinsee both took minutes from Stewart and Kopp when they were healthy. There were games, when those guys were healthy which wasn't often, that Kopp and/or Stewart only played about 15 minutes. 

So what you're calling for was actually happening when we were healthy. You're also vastly over-blowing how bad Stewart was to support your position. 

You're also over-blowing JG's performances. He was fantastic against Wisconsin, no argument there. That might be his best IU performance to-date.

He was bad in the first half at Illinois and then really good in the second half. The next game against MSU he only played 13 minutes. 

Then let's not forget how bad he was in the threw games before that. 

His role is match-up dependent often at this point. TJD is playing 35+ minutes every night, so the only availbe minutes are at the 4 and right now Race and Malik are both better. 

Actually you’re massaging last season to support your arguments. Not going to go back and forth, you just don’t acknowledge things. Race was absolutely horrible yesterday, but hey he’s a 6th year senior. Woodson was quoted in the context of talking about Bates as to who he was going to play and straight up stated he had to go with seniority. That’s his minded (not talking about whether Bates should’ve been played then that’s not the point). JG played very well after his sitdown with Woodson in extended minutes, we played the best we had all year with that group including curb stomping Ill at Ill, then Race comes back, clearly hobbled, plays poorly, but gets all the minutes anyway, that’s the point. So you won’t see that, i’ll just agree to disagree.

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Actually you’re massaging last season to support your arguments. Not going to go back and forth, you just don’t acknowledge things. Race was absolutely horrible yesterday, but hey he’s a 6th year senior. Woodson was quoted in the context of talking about Bates as to who he was going to play and straight up stated he had to go with seniority. That’s his minded (not talking about whether Bates should’ve been played then that’s not the point). JG played very well after his sitdown with Woodson in extended minutes, we played the best we had all year with that group including curb stomping Ill at Ill, then Race comes back, clearly hobbled, plays poorly, but gets all the minutes anyway, that’s the point. So you won’t see that, i’ll just agree to disagree.

Race was terrible yesterday, completely agree. He's been up and down since coming back. JG was bad in limited minutes yesterday too, and Malik was great in the 2nd half. 

JG had a great game and a half when Race was hurt, he was average to bad the other 3 and a half games. It's not really debatable. 

The reality is that two coaching staffs haven't trusted him. I wish that wasn't the case, but he just hasn't earned the minutes. 

Bates hasn't largely either. Bates is often a defensive liability. When he focuses on defense he plays, when he doesn't he's unplayable. 2nd half against Michigan and 2nd half yesterday he was locked in defensively and he was rewarded for it. He just rarely does that. 

Some notes on the Stewart/Kopp thing:

There was a 7 out of 8 game stretch last season in Jan/Feb before Galloway's groin injury, where he played more minutes then at least one of Kopp or Stewart and in most of those games he played more then both. 

There was a 3 out 4 game stretch where both Kopp and Stewart's minutes were in the teens and Galloway's were 20+. 

He also started 3 games in a row before his groin injury. 

Honestly, it feels like you're creating this Woodson narrative because you hitched your wagon so hard to JG the last two years and it just hasn't happened for him. 

[HoosierHoopster]

OSU is playing with high energy and its guard play is much better than PU. PU will probably make a push in the 2d, interested to see how well OSU responds

[Brass Cannon]

Trying to explain big ten officiating to my 6 year old. It’s difficult 

[cbp4iu]

Ohio State looking tired now

[HoosierAloha]

Don't you have to give a player room to come down there?

[HoosierHoopster]

4 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Race was terrible yesterday, completely agree. He's been up and down since coming back. JG was bad in limited minutes yesterday too, and Malik was great in the 2nd half. 

JG had a great game and a half when Race was hurt, he was average to bad the other 3 and a half games. It's not really debatable. 

The reality is that two coaching staffs haven't trusted him. I wish that wasn't the case, but he just hasn't e

Honestly, it feels like you're creating this Woodson narrative because you hitched your wagon so hard to JG the last two years and it just hasn't happened for him. 

Unnecessary, kind of catty, and false. Let’s just agree to disagree