IUBB vs Michigan - Sunday, 3/5/23 @ 4:30 on CBS

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

Interesting to look back over the schedule and pull little nuggets from it.

We're 3-1 in "opponent revenge games" where we won the first matchup. These games were Ill, pu, MSU, and Michigan. We were 2-0 when the second game was at home and 1-1 when the second game was away.
We're 1-2 in our "revenge games" where we lost the first matchup. These games were Rutger, Northwestern, and Iowa. We were 1-1 when the second game was at home and 0-1 when the second game way away.

In our single plays we went 3-0 at home (Neb, O$U, and Wiscy) and 1-2 on the road (Minny, Maryland, and Penn State)

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4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Absolutely, no arguments, but we just got pounded at home to Iowa by 20+. We needed OT at home to win by 2 against UM. The at PU game notwithstanding, we're not playing as well as we were earlier in the season. The college basketball landscape doesn't change that.

Season is a roller coaster.  IU just happened to hit a small downward hill at that time.   When you play tournament quality teams day in and day out it’s going to happen even at home.    People overestimate momentum or lack of momentum at the end of the year entering the tourney.   Iowa was the hottest team going into the tourney last year after they won the BTT tourney.  People were picking them as a darkhorse for the final 4.  They lost in the first round to Richmond.  

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Season is a roller coaster.  IU just happened to hit a small downward hill at that time.   When you play tournament quality teams day in and day out it’s going to happen even at home.    People overestimate momentum or lack of momentum at the end of the year entering the tourney.   Iowa was the hottest team going into the tourney last year after they won the BTT tourney.  People were picking them as a darkhorse for the final 4.  They lost in the first round to Richmond.  

One thing I'm certain of, this NCAA Tourney is going to be a crazy rollercoaster ride. Talk about parity

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8 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

One thing that has absolutely bothered me for much of the season and in the game yesterday, nearly every time TJD has the ball outside of the post and is sizing up to drive on his defender, Race drops to the opposite block dragging an additional defender to the post before TJD can get his position. I know it is really late to address this but it needs to be addressed in practice this week. I understand the mindset of Race is getting in position for the drop off or the rebound, but if he would just wait a split second to drop, it would open the lane more for TJD. It would also open a little more space for Race to receive the drop off or gain some room for a put back slam.

When Race is not in the game, this doesn't happen as often with MR or JG and I wish it didn't happen so often with Race. Timing could be the difference from being bounced in the first round or TJD absolutely destroying a team in the post. He needs room to operate and clogging the lane with extra defenders is generally no bueno! I know I am not a coach, but just one of the things that drives me nuts!

Watch the speed of those "cuts" made between Race and others. I watched Banks make that cut and felt like someone had hit the x100 speed on the remote. It's rather amazing we've won as many games as we have while lacking some fundamentals (rebounding).

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(lack of) rebounding is driving me nuts!

[HoosierHoopster 7,253]

10 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

One thing that has absolutely bothered me for much of the season and in the game yesterday, nearly every time TJD has the ball outside of the post and is sizing up to drive on his defender, Race drops to the opposite block dragging an additional defender to the post before TJD can get his position. I know it is really late to address this but it needs to be addressed in practice this week. I understand the mindset of Race is getting in position for the drop off or the rebound, but if he would just wait a split second to drop, it would open the lane more for TJD. It would also open a little more space for Race to receive the drop off or gain some room for a put back slam.

When Race is not in the game, this doesn't happen as often with MR or JG and I wish it didn't happen so often with Race. Timing could be the difference from being bounced in the first round or TJD absolutely destroying a team in the post. He needs room to operate and clogging the lane with extra defenders is generally no bueno! I know I am not a coach, but just one of the things that drives me nuts!

I've been saying this for a while - Race crowds the lane. He does, we scored the ball much better before he came back. Some see that as some kind of nitpicking or attack on Race, it's not, but he crowds the lane. When JG and Malik were playing well and healthy when Race was out, we were a much stronger team offensively. Race also has a habit of trying to go iso, he really shouldn't.

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5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Watch the speed of those "cuts" made between Race and others. I watched Banks make that cut and felt like someone had hit the x100 speed on the remote. It's rather amazing we've won as many games as we have while lacking some fundamentals (rebounding).

That is true as well, but it just drives me even more nuts that Race is already on the block before TJD can even get to the basket. Why make it harder for your All American than you have too?

Really intrigued to see the player Banks develops into!

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36 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Absolutely, scoring on 3 of your first 4 possessions while getting 3 straight stops to start OT is fantastic. Slightly different situations but all needed to get the W.

I think you missed the point on this one. Everyone thought it was a 3 at the time, the graphic on the screen showed it was a 3, and somehow each team had a full possession before it was changed. Not only was it never reviewed, it was never even discussed by anyone. That extra point was huge because it was the difference between a 1 and 2 possession game. 

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IU finished 8th in net efficiency in the B1G 

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

You're joking, right? Wisconsin (by 18), at Illinois (by 15, the place we never win), MSU (by 13), the at Minny game, a hiccup with Race coming back and starting, v OSU (by 16).

Our best win by far since was at PU (by 8), in between losses to MD, NW, MSU, Iowa by 22 at home. A bunch of good teams / away games in there but that run, particularly the first 3, we were playing our best ball of the season.

For me, given the stakes and the quality of opponent, last night's win was a better win where IU played more connected, energetic basketball than in three of the five games you listed. 

For B1G teams, Minny, OSU, and Wisconsin are markedly worse than Michigan. I understand that the Wisky and OSU final scores weren't close. Especially now that Tarris Reed and Dug McDaniel have gotten extended minutes and are playing like sophomores for Michigan. 

We didn't really get all that many shots to fall, yet we beat a very talented and desperate team last night. The Wisky and OSU games were tight at the half against teams that have been vastly inferior to the current UM team.

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13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

For me, given the stakes and the quality of opponent, last night's win was a better win where IU played more connected, energetic basketball than in three of the five games you listed. 

For B1G teams, Minny, OSU, and Wisconsin are markedly worse than Michigan. I understand that the Wisky and OSU final scores weren't close. Especially now that Tarris Reed and Dug McDaniel have gotten extended minutes and are playing like sophomores for Michigan. 

We didn't really get all that many shots to fall, yet we beat a very talented and desperate team last night. The Wisky and OSU games were tight at the half against teams that have been vastly inferior to the current UM team.

I will agree that Mich is more talented than any of those other teams you list and go one better. I think they are more 'talented' than Purdoo. Not better, but more talent. If Michigan gets everyone back next year (no idea what Howard or Dickinson's pro prospects are) they are gonna be a problem. 

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27 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I will agree that Mich is more talented than any of those other teams you list and go one better. I think they are more 'talented' than Purdoo. Not better, but more talent. If Michigan gets everyone back next year (no idea what Howard or Dickinson's pro prospects are) they are gonna be a problem. 

Definitely agree UM has a chance to be very good next year. Well, but for their coach. :)

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1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

I will agree that Mich is more talented than any of those other teams you list and go one better. I think they are more 'talented' than Purdoo. Not better, but more talent. If Michigan gets everyone back next year (no idea what Howard or Dickinson's pro prospects are) they are gonna be a problem. 

I think Michigan is better when Jett aint out there.  JMO.  But yeah if all their young guys and Hunter return the Wolverines should be the preseason pick to win the B1G.

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11 minutes ago, Rico said:

I think Michigan is better when Jett aint out there.  JMO.  But yeah if all their young guys and Hunter return the Wolverines should be the preseason pick to win the B1G.

I believe Dickinson has stated he’s coming back and I wouldn’t be surprised if Edey comes back depending on how this season ends.  Not excited about it. 

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4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I believe Dickinson has stated he’s coming back and I wouldn’t be surprised if Edey comes back depending on how this season ends.  Not excited about it. 

IU needs an above average Transfer Center (or 2) stat! 

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7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I believe Dickinson has stated he’s coming back and I wouldn’t be surprised if Edey comes back depending on how this season ends.  Not excited about it. 

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OT does have good remedies for a sore throat seem to have woken up with one this morning.

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22 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Finished second in the league and swept the team in first. Lol.   College basketball is awesome 

That's the asterisk that will be associated with this championship for the Boilers. They won, but we swept them.

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3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

For B1G teams, Minny, OSU, and Wisconsin are markedly worse than Michigan. I understand that the Wisky and OSU final scores weren't close. Especially now that Tarris Reed and Dug McDaniel have gotten extended minutes and are playing like sophomores for Michigan. 

It’s really not true that Michigan is “markedly” better than Wisconsin and OSU—especially Wisconsin. Wisconsin had a horrible stretch in conf that killed their tourney hopes. Michigan had a bad pre-conf that may keep them out.  Wisconsin still beat Marquette and USC and took Kansas to overtime. 
 

By most objective measures that beating we put on Wisconsin is better than squeaking by Michigan.   
 

(otoh, Wisconsin fits my matchup theory that we definitely want to play good defensive teams that can’t score. They are like the mirror opposite of Iowa…. Coincidently whom Wisconsin swept this year).

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47 minutes ago, str8baller said:

It’s really not true that Michigan is “markedly” better than Wisconsin and OSU—especially Wisconsin. Wisconsin had a horrible stretch in conf that killed their tourney hopes. Michigan had a bad pre-conf that may keep them out.  Wisconsin still beat Marquette and USC and took Kansas to overtime. 
 

By most objective measures that beating we put on Wisconsin is better than squeaking by Michigan.   
 

(otoh, Wisconsin fits my matchup theory that we definitely want to play good defensive teams that can’t score. They are like the mirror opposite of Iowa…. Coincidently whom Wisconsin swept this year).

My point is that by the END of the year Michigan is far better. McDaniel was supposed to be a ten minute player and was thrust into 35 per game. Since the game has started to slow down for him and Tarris Reed they have been a much better team.