IUBB vs Purdue: 2/25 @7:30 on FOX

[IUFAN1976]

6 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Completely different situations

His offensive ups and downs this season have little to do with where he'll be drafted. His measurables and potential have him safely in the first round and possibly a lottery pick. 

Where did Langford get drafted? 14th? A shooting guard that didn't show much in the shooting department.

JHS would be one hell of a sophomore. The chances of that happening is on par with Josh making the PGA tour.

If he is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick, which he isn’t right now, he will come back because if he gets drafted late 1st round, he could have to go to the G League and he will make less money than he would at IU with NIL money

[BGleas]

14 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

If he is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick, which he isn’t right now, he will come back because if he gets drafted late 1st round, he could have to go to the G League and he will make less money than he would at IU with NIL money

If you're a first round pick you're getting first round money regardless of whether the team sends you to their G League affiliate. 

[coonhounds]

If he is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick, which he isn’t right now, he will come back because if he gets drafted late 1st round, he could have to go to the G League and he will make less money than he would at IU with NIL money

I agree jhs could go pro. But the advice will be to stay and build his craft to be a top pick. He will choose that path and it could be 3 years imo. NIL Woodson advice and team continuity my source lol

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[HoosierAloha]

19 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

If he is not guaranteed to be a lottery pick, which he isn’t right now, he will come back because if he gets drafted late 1st round, he could have to go to the G League and he will make less money than he would at IU with NIL money

How much do you think IU/collectives are dishing out in NIL money for JHS? It's nice to dream that IU could match an NBA salary but we're discussing reality here. He wouldn't be close to making the same amount of money at IU as he would as a first round draft pick.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

To be fair…I’m not sure there is a fan base that complains or flat out blames the officials more than the Indiana fan base. Lol. 

I'm around Illini fans every day. They blame officiating for almost every loss. It's why I call them Iwhini fans

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[LIHoosier]

49 minutes ago, BGleas said:

If you're a first round pick you're getting first round money regardless of whether the team sends you to their G League affiliate. 

To add on, the last pick of the 1st round this year gets guaranteed between $3-4.5 mn. over 2 years. 15th pick gets between $5-7.5 mn.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale

[Golfman25]

6 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Please tell me how the situations between Cody Zeller and JHS are the same.

Romeo is still playing in the NBA 4 (?) years later and has made quite a lot of money. JHS is a more complete player with just as much upside. There will be several teams willing to taking him in the first round and continue his development.

Stay in school making limited money while having to attend classes and such or go to the NBA where you make more, your life is about developing, and have access to world class coaches and staff to develop. Up top we both know the obvious choice, a foot lower and we both would love a sophomore year.

Idk.  I would question “world class” coaching.  Lots of bad in the NBA.  Also, Romeo is basically a part time player in the NBA.  That’s fine if you’re about being a pro and cashing a check.   On the other hand, being BMOC is kinda fun too.  

[Golfman25]

3 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

NBA guys are loving JHS with the way he can play in the pick and roll, hit the mid range or get to the rim. Plays defense too.

You actually used the word “defense” when talking about the NBA.  That’s funny right there. :)

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

I agree jhs could go pro. But the advice will be to stay and build his craft to be a top pick. He will choose that path and it could be 3 years imo. NIL Woodson advice and team continuity my source lol

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As a first round pick he will make 2-3 mil a year. There is no way we have that kind of money for NIL

[go iu bb]

46 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

As a first round pick he will make 2-3 mil a year. There is no way we have that kind of money for NIL

See the post by @LIHoosier above. At least $3M. So your point stands, but you're underestimating how much he'd make.

[cthomas]

I would love to see JHS back at IU next season. But, being a realist, that's not happening. I think the injury to XJ accelerated Jalen's skill set. He has grown so much during the course of the season after becoming the primary point guard. He is the real deal. And, more importantly, it's mental as much as physical. As an aside, the mid range game is not obsolete. We just beat Purdue in Mackey because JHS has that skill. I would be beyond shocked to see him at IU next year. He will be a CMW recruiting tool going forward.

[Brass Cannon]

I think JHS is gone. But it’s also important to note that the NBA isn’t about the first contract it’s about putting yourself in a great position to contribute enough to warrant a second legit contract.
 

That’s what Cody did and it worked for him.  Maybe he could have snagged two more contracts after his rookie deal leaving after 1 year.  But maybe not  maybe his PER his rookie year is single digits deemed too much of a project and gets forgotten about  

 

[Banksyrules]

This talk about JHS leaving early is 50/50 in my opinion. This is the advantage of Woodson being well connected to the NBA. Hopefully NBA scouts will be fair and honest with him and he hopefully has good people around to confirm or deny that information.  Personally I think he should come back. Someone made the argument that you go in early to play for the second contract. That's true but you also need playing minutes so that people can give you that contract. Playing minutes is hard to come by for players even chosen from pick 16 to the end of the first round.  If he goes to a final four and dominates then yeah he's probably going to be a top 10 pick and should leave but if he's inconsistent he should stay so he has a better chance to be in that draft range so he can get more playing time.   

[OldBuddy67]

I may have missed it but BTown put out a graphic of the IU-PU rivalry years ago broken down by decades since 1940. PUke had a 51-11 advantage pre 1940 but IU is +7 since then. They talk about Dusty Banners but their series advantage was gained before the year IU won their first Natty! Is there a updated one????

[HoosierAloha]

33 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

This talk about JHS leaving early is 50/50 in my opinion. This is the advantage of Woodson being well connected to the NBA. Hopefully NBA scouts will be fair and honest with him and he hopefully has good people around to confirm or deny that information.  Personally I think he should come back. Someone made the argument that you go in early to play for the second contract. That's true but you also need playing minutes so that people can give you that contract. Playing minutes is hard to come by for players even chosen from pick 16 to the end of the first round.  If he goes to a final four and dominates then yeah he's probably going to be a top 10 pick and should leave but if he's inconsistent he should stay so he has a better chance to be in that draft range so he can get more playing time.   

What is the difference between the 10th and 11th pick?

[Stuhoo]

39 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

This talk about JHS leaving early is 50/50 in my opinion. This is the advantage of Woodson being well connected to the NBA. Hopefully NBA scouts will be fair and honest with him and he hopefully has good people around to confirm or deny that information.  Personally I think he should come back. Someone made the argument that you go in early to play for the second contract. That's true but you also need playing minutes so that people can give you that contract. Playing minutes is hard to come by for players even chosen from pick 16 to the end of the first round.  If he goes to a final four and dominates then yeah he's probably going to be a top 10 pick and should leave but if he's inconsistent he should stay so he has a better chance to be in that draft range so he can get more playing time.   

95+% if I had to venture a guess.

[Banksyrules]

34 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What is the difference between the 10th and 11th pick?

It depends on the draft year but honestly there's also a little bit of politics when it comes to playing a top ten pick because a front office doesn't want to look like fools at first so they typically play. I just don’t want JHS to be in a situation and be drafted by a team like my Knicks in the later rounds. Obi Toppin (8th pick taken) deserves more playing time and deserved more development time. But we have Tom Tibadeu (sp) as our coach and only plays established players.   There are a lot of Coaches in the NBA that only care about winning now (to preserve their contracts)and really don't want to develop players. When you're a top 5-10 ( guaranteed top 5 at least) you typically forced by management to play the kid.  But even at 8 Obi Toppin will have to play somewhere else to get a good contract. 

[Golfman25]

9 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

I think JHS is gone. But it’s also important to note that the NBA isn’t about the first contract it’s about putting yourself in a great position to contribute enough to warrant a second legit contract.
 

That’s what Cody did and it worked for him.  Maybe he could have snagged two more contracts after his rookie deal leaving after 1 year.  But maybe not  maybe his PER his rookie year is single digits deemed too much of a project and gets forgotten about  

 

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

You go as soon as you'll be getting a large, guaranteed NBA contract. Which is where JHS is.

Him being a one and done is very, very good for IU IMO. Liam McNeeley will take note. Liam is 6'6", skilled, not physically dominant, and playing the point very effectively for Montverde.  In other words, while every player is different, it's incredibly easy for him to see the direct comp between him and JHS. And I would hope that JHS is reporting back to Montverde that he made an excellent decision in choosing IUBB.

This is great stuff. We get a shot at a national championship because JHS is one of our key guys, the talented culture guys like Trey Galloway carry the program torch from year to year, and other top 25 players see that we are a path to being an NBA first round pick.

Perfect.

[HoosierAloha]

18 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

It depends on the draft year but honestly there's also a little bit of politics when it comes to playing a top ten pick because a front office doesn't want to look like fools at first so they typically play. I just want JHS to be in a situation and be drafted by a team like my Knicks in the later rounds. Obi Toppin (8th pick taken) deserves more playing time and deserved more development time. But we have Tom Tibadeu (sp) as our coach and only plays established players.   There are a lot of Coaches in the NBA that only care about winning now (to preserve their contracts)and really don't want to develop players. When you're a top 5-10 ( guaranteed top 5 at least) you typically forced by management to play the kid.  But even at 8 Obi Toppin will have to play somewhere else to get a good contract. 

I'm confused by what you're saying here. You want JHS to fall later in the first round so he'll be drafted by the Knicks but you want him to stay at IU to develop into a top 5 pick so it forces management to play him?