They Fired Tom Allen!

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Can you translate this into regular English for us?

 

1 hour ago, Rico said:

According to IU Scott, he does not drink alcohol.

I do not drink, I put in disappointed but it changed it to disaster 

[monskisprodigy]

Texas A&M rumored to be parting ways with Jimbo…$75 million dollar buy-out…

Schools that are serious find a way. 

[Dave from Dayton]

17 hours ago, monskisprodigy said:

I know it’s $20mil…but can Dolson afford to keep him?

The apathy entering next season will be at an all time high. 

At an all-time high?  Where have you been for the last ...  well...forever except for very isolated blips.

Most losses in a football program in the P5.  Ever.  Sorry.  I had to say that.  

The $20 million buyout may not actually end up being $20 million when an exit contract is negotiated.  Still, it is a huge hurdle and one that stinks from a number of perspectives. And if Tom Allen would get a coaching job after the IU job, then that also would likely reduce the negotiated buyout some more.   

The AD is in a potentially difficult position.  One that he is responsible for, true.  One would have to find a very good head coach prospect and explain to the Trustees, the media, trolls and fans why he made that decision.  And try to justify the decision to have such a huge buyout in the previous contract. The AD should have thick skin and broad shoulders. I have no doubt that Dolson can handle that heat.  Except that the university must be wary of the political (funding) situation.

Do we really understand the ultimate reason(s) for Kevin Wilson to be let go?  Was it because of the alleged mistreatment of players?  Well, most likely that.  But could it also be because of the potential negative political (aka funding) ramifications especially the non-athletic side?

The real question: Is the Indiana University Administration able and willing to suffer the bruises of bad PR and the potential uprising in the political arena coming from the Indiana State legislature and other funding sources?  This is a time of a very controversial issue about public tax monies funding the non-athletic public education system.  Public education is fighting for the basic survival of the institutions. I do not see the university asking for more trouble and focus just now. 

One could argue that they are separate and unrelated funds.  Well, they are related.  For instance, some public funding helps the athletics.  Just one example is the borrowing interest rates of the Athletic Department is backed, in part, by the university.  Does the legal staff help athletics, does the medical program help?  Does athletics pay a prorated share for those services?  Sure.  Maybe.  Some?

Everyone is used to us losing.  So that really is not a negative.  It is programmed into the public consciousness already.  

 Plus, the risk of it all.  Will the new head coach actually win?  Right away?  After 4 or 7 years?

Can Dolson (and the university system as a whole) afford to keep him.  Probably.   

Should he/they?  Wait until after IU plays Purdue.  Then think about it again. And then wait another year...that is my prediction. 

The best news for Indiana football recently is that the Big Ten has gone away from that awful Divisional format.  But what remains is our tradition of losing, and demographics are against IU recruiting.  Some would try to compare us with UK or some such.  Yeah, them playing in the SEC compares with IU playing in the Big Ten East.  

Not having a seasoned QB at the beginning of the season; not having a disciplined team that doesn't get numerous penalties each and every game; and having the defense lag in a competitive opportunity like yesterday...doesn't help the head coach move towards a winning program at all.  Really does bite the big one.    

It would be cheaper to use the NIL to get a couple of (I mean maybe 15) great players at key positions.  Of course, that is off IU's athletic budget. Oh yeah, and upgrade the coaching staff?  There, I said it.

Make it so.  

 

[LIHoosier]

1 hour ago, J34 said:

Classy

If it weren't for the darn offense, defense, and special teams screwing up every week, we'd be 10-0.

[Dave from Dayton]

4 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

If it weren't for the darn offense, defense, and special teams screwing up every week, we'd be 10-0.

And the refs...oh...and...

[monskisprodigy]

2 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

At an all-time high?  Where have you been for the last ...  well...forever except for very isolated blips.

Most losses in a football program in the P5.  Ever.  Sorry.  I had to say that.  

The $20 million buyout may not actually end up being $20 million when an exit contract is negotiated.  Still, it is a huge hurdle and one that stinks from a number of perspectives. And if Tom Allen would get a coaching job after the IU job, then that also would likely reduce the negotiated buyout some more.   

The AD is in a potentially difficult position.  One that he is responsible for, true.  One would have to find a very good head coach prospect and explain to the Trustees, the media, trolls and fans why he made that decision.  And try to justify the decision to have such a huge buyout in the previous contract. The AD should have thick skin and broad shoulders. I have no doubt that Dolson can handle that heat.  Except that the university must be wary of the political (funding) situation.

Do we really understand the ultimate reason(s) for Kevin Wilson to be let go?  Was it because of the alleged mistreatment of players?  Well, most likely that.  But could it also be because of the potential negative political (aka funding) ramifications especially the non-athletic side?

The real question: Is the Indiana University Administration able and willing to suffer the bruises of bad PR and the potential uprising in the political arena coming from the Indiana State legislature and other funding sources?  This is a time of a very controversial issue about public tax monies funding the non-athletic public education system.  Public education is fighting for the basic survival of the institutions. I do not see the university asking for more trouble and focus just now. 

One could argue that they are separate and unrelated funds.  Well, they are related.  For instance, some public funding helps the athletics.  Just one example is the borrowing interest rates of the Athletic Department is backed, in part, by the university.  Does the legal staff help athletics, does the medical program help?  Does athletics pay a prorated share for those services?  Sure.  Maybe.  Some?

Everyone is used to us losing.  So that really is not a negative.  It is programmed into the public consciousness already.  

 Plus, the risk of it all.  Will the new head coach actually win?  Right away?  After 4 or 7 years?

Can Dolson (and the university system as a whole) afford to keep him.  Probably.   

Should he/they?  Wait until after IU plays Purdue.  Then think about it again. And then wait another year...that is my prediction. 

The best news for Indiana football recently is that the Big Ten has gone away from that awful Divisional format.  But what remains is our tradition of losing, and demographics are against IU recruiting.  Some would try to compare us with UK or some such.  Yeah, them playing in the SEC compares with IU playing in the Big Ten East.  

Not having a seasoned QB at the beginning of the season; not having a disciplined team that doesn't get numerous penalties each and every game; and having the defense lag in a competitive opportunity like yesterday...doesn't help the head coach move towards a winning program at all.  Really does bite the big one.    

It would be cheaper to use the NIL to get a couple of (I mean maybe 15) great players at key positions.  Of course, that is off IU's athletic budget.  Make it so.  

 

I’ve been here for 30+ years, drowning in the misery that is IUFB…and will be here for another 30+ because I can’t help myself. I love the university, even with all its frustrations. 

All time high was a little dramatic, I admit…the emotions talking there. But I do have family who are long time season ticket holders considering if they should continue…some are reaching that point. Apathy is high. 

 

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

6 hours ago, monskisprodigy said:

Texas A&M rumored to be parting ways with Jimbo…$75 million dollar buy-out…

Schools that are serious find a way. 

But Texas A&M is in a conference and in a state that takes college football very seriously.  When has Indiana ever valued football with any legitimacy?

[Dave from Dayton]

5 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

But Texas A&M is in a conference and in a state that takes college football very seriously.  When has Indiana ever valued football with any legitimacy?

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

38 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Imagine that timeline where we took our trip to the Rose Bowl and built off of that.

[LamarCheeks]

We're not at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the history of P5 football. We'll soon be No. 3!!!

At the end of the season, we can join a select group of schools with idiot ADs who gave idiotic contracts! 

What a bunch:
1. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M -- $77.6M
2. Gus Malzahn, Auburn -- $21.4M
3. Tom Allen, Indiana --$20.8M  #LEO

(Funny thing, though -- Most of these schools have actually accomplished something in football.) 

[JSHoosier]

13 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

We're not at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the history of P5 football. We'll soon be No. 3!!!

At the end of the season, we can join a select group of schools with idiot ADs who gave idiotic contracts! 

What a bunch:
1. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M -- $77.6M
2. Gus Malzahn, Auburn -- $21.4M
3. Tom Allen, Indiana --$20.8M  #LEO

(Funny thing, though -- Most of these schools have actually accomplished something in football.) 

TAMU is on there twice too.  Even IUFB hasn't been that bad.

[Rico]

59 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

TAMU is on there twice too.  Even IUFB hasn't been that bad.

At least A&M tries...

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

At least A&M tries...

That's what is common of all the schools on there: they try. IU doesn't so I'm still skeptical they'll fire Allen after the season to not just join that list but jump in at 3rd. Allen needs to go but I guess we'll see if IU actually cans him.

[OGIUAndy]

2 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

TAMU is on there twice too.  Even IUFB hasn't been that bad.

 

2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

We're not at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the history of P5 football. We'll soon be No. 3!!!

At the end of the season, we can join a select group of schools with idiot ADs who gave idiotic contracts! 

What a bunch:
1. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M -- $77.6M
2. Gus Malzahn, Auburn -- $21.4M
3. Tom Allen, Indiana --$20.8M  #LEO

(Funny thing, though -- Most of these schools have actually accomplished something in football.) 

Now you've convinced me. He will NOT be fired. 

[OGIUAndy]

4 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

 

Now you've convinced me. He will NOT be fired. 

This also indicates how much he's under-performed his contract. He signed it in 2020 and was immediately terrible in 2021 (I understand there were a ton of injuries that year). Now he's been terrible for three straight seasons. Very on point for the IU football brand. We somehow can't have nice things. EDIT: I wanted to add that I was pretty optimistic this season even though I knew starting a RS QB would be a work in progress. Now the QB is solidified and playing fairly well, the defense has decided to take the rest of the season off. I think that's the biggest issue and always has been. IU can never be good at both offense or defense in the same season or game. Very odd. 

[Scotty R]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

At least A&M tries...

For how much they spend and care the results don't meet those standards 

[Rico]

3 hours ago, Scotty R said:

For how much they spend and care the results don't meet those standards 

And that can be said about our basketball program.

[Alford Bailey]

9 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

We're not at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the history of P5 football. We'll soon be No. 3!!!

At the end of the season, we can join a select group of schools with idiot ADs who gave idiotic contracts! 

What a bunch:
1. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M -- $77.6M
2. Gus Malzahn, Auburn -- $21.4M
3. Tom Allen, Indiana --$20.8M  #LEO

(Funny thing, though -- Most of these schools have actually accomplished something in football.) 

All football programs. No way in **** IU should be in this mix.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Coach Prime to Texas A&M

No wait... I have a BETTER CANDIDATE.

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TOM FREAKING LEO ALLEN!!!!!!!!!!!

GO AGGIES!!!!!

[FortWayneHoosier]