(2024) - PG Boogie Fland to Kentucky

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Schreckbagger said:

Announcement for KY on same day as IU's Hoosier Hysteria.....slap. That's a GFY moment IMO.

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Could just be a coincidence.  IU has been largely irrelevant his entire life so may not even realize the IU/pUKe rivalry was a thing.

[Stuhoo]

FWIW

Hoosier Hysteria is a super-fun couple of hours to signify that things are underway, but it is no way a big deal or in any way susceptible to being lessened by the decision of a recruit for a year from now.

[Artie86]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

FWIW

Hoosier Hysteria is a super-fun couple of hours to signify that things are underway, but it is no way a big deal or in any way susceptible to being lessened by a recruit for next year.

It is a big deal just for the fact that it is the beginning of IU Basketball season..... I know what you are saying though. This could have been a great platform or exclamation point to this recruitment.....

[Artie86]

Guys, I just can't get past the fact why Boogie would choose Cal over a genuine, down to earth, (consistently trending up on the recruiting trail) coach like Coach Woodson and instead choose Cal. I know all kids are different and want see things differently than others. This one is just a head scratcher to me. I can only think of the obvious that KY's wins and rankings carry weight...JMO

[OGIUAndy]

52 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

The only issue I’ve got is that sometimes “a bird in the hand is greater than 2 in the bush” and to me IU has passed over good players the last couple cycles that could’ve helped to program to focus on 1 or 2 guys and then missed. It’s not a recipe for success. To me get the guys that you can get and then swing for the fences. Don’t swing for the fence and then miss out all together. It’s a good thing they landed Liam but a one man class isn’t going to cut it with the roster overhaul IU might face next year. 

Targeting top guys is a good strategy because it sets up IU in the transfer portal.  If it doesn't work out for Boogie (and others) at their initial school, IU already has a relationship.  We'll just have to live with a decent number of misses. UK and KU are always going to be hard to beat because of the success their players have had (are having) in the NBA. IU has mostly produced role players outside of OG. 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Guys, I just can't get past the fact why Boogie would choose Cal over a genuine, down to earth, (consistently trending up on the recruiting trail) coach like Coach Woodson and instead choose Cal. I know all kids are different and want see things differently than others. This one is just a head scratcher to me. I can only think of the obvious that KY's wins and rankings carry weight...JMO

I and others have basically said it before in this thread, but here is Calipari's very effective sell:

• UK has NIL and facilities that at least equal the best of the best.
• UK plays in the very successful, high pace, NBA-style SEC.
• It's not just UK, it's the combination of UK and Calipari that has a proven, long-term record of developing top guards into successful NBA players:
  • Fox
  • Wall
  • Bledsoe
  • Murray
  • Knight
  • Booker
  • Gilgeous Alexander
  • Maxey
  • Wallace
• Whether they won or lost at UK, their NBA outcome ranged from pretty good to incredible. And every one of those players basically has stayed out of trouble.
• The guards that played for Calipari are glad they did. IU fans may think he's slimy and unlikeable, but his players say they're good with him.

[HinnyHoosier]

Let's not assume this staff doesn't have a contingency strategy on the table. Let's also not assume said strategy applies only to this class. 

Woody & Co has performed above and beyond expectations in my opinion, and enough so that it's safe to assert they aren't a fluke.

 

As far as pUKe is concerned, pressure's on Cal. Take the recruit, see what you can (or in his case, can't) do with that talent in terms of program success. He's proven nothing more than an overall inability to succeed with the highest level of recruiting in the last 14 years along with a fear of playing Indiana for nearly the duration of his tenure there. 

[Soulsnipes]

I also agree I think people are sleeping on Gabe. I wanted Boogie badly but landing Liam was #1 for me. If we do snag Queen thats even better but a top portal PG might be the best bet to fuse the freshman with veterans in which it takes to win a championship.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

They also have Robert Dillingham who will most likely be back next year, plus Jasper Johnson if he reclassifies, and Boogie. 

I'd be surprised if Dillingham returned. He seems like a kid ready to leave as a YouTube sensation.

[IndyResident16]

17 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Targeting top guys is a good strategy because it sets up IU in the transfer portal.  If it doesn't work out for Boogie (and others) at their initial school, IU already has a relationship.  We'll just have to live with a decent number of misses. UK and KU are always going to be hard to beat because of the success their players have had (are having) in the NBA. IU has mostly produced role players outside of OG. 

I'm sorry but there's no way I'm touching Boogie Fland down the road if he does in fact spurn us for Kentucky this afternoon. Once he commits, that ship will have sailed. 

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm sorry but there's no way I'm touching Boogie Fland down the road if he does in fact spurn us for Kentucky this afternoon. Once he commits, that ship will have sailed. 

No need to cut off your nose just to spite your face... 

[ap2345]

5 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm sorry but there's no way I'm touching Boogie Fland down the road if he does in fact spurn us for Kentucky this afternoon. Once he commits, that ship will have sailed. 

Good thing that you aren’t running the program then. That’s just not the way to do things in todays college basketball.

[IndyResident16]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Good thing that you aren’t running the program then. That’s just not the way to do things in todays college basketball.

Never said I was. Don't see the staff reconnecting with a former recruit who spurned them for a rival. 

That's just me though, would hope CMW and co have a little dignity. 

[HoosierX]

11 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm sorry but there's no way I'm touching Boogie Fland down the road if he does in fact spurn us for Kentucky this afternoon. Once he commits, that ship will have sailed. 

Something tells me that you wouldn't have much of a say in the matter.

[go iu bb]

5 hours ago, Hornsby said:

This strategy may work for elite programs but we currently are not elite. Now we scramble in the spring to fill a roster. Imo that is not a recipe for building long term success. They may need to rethink their recruiting strategy

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Yep, it works well when they can go to top 50ish players, swoop in, and land them after a short recruitment. See: Duke, Kansas, Kentucky. Recent example: Passmore to Kansas when McNeeley started to seem unlikely. IU doesn't have that clout yet.

That said, the transfer portal and coaching carousel means there will good players available in the spring or summer. Woodson and staff have done well in this regard.

 

Highly ranked transfers or decommits landed:

• Ware - great pickup with lots of questions but potential high reward. Would be huge if the staff can get him back to a lottery pick.
• Mgbako - expected to be one and done
• Reneau - so-so freshman year. High expectations for this year.
• Bates - didn't work out but was highly ranked in HS

Bonus: JHS even though it wasn't spring or summer, he was a highly ranked decommit that IU landed

 

Other transfers:

• Johnson - Very good pickup. Started the whole time.
• Kopp - Good pickup. Was a starter whole time, played solid but not spectacular.
• Sparks - TBD
• Walker - TBD but likely a decent role player as he was in Miami. He did have one really good year there.
• Durr - ok role player, played to expectations. 

Stewart was a Miller recruitment.

 

I think a lot is dependent on how IU does this season. If the team does well with Ware and Mgbako being first round picks, IU could clean up in the spring. Throw in a decent tournament run (S16) and that becomes even easier. Of course, if the team flops this year that makes it harder.

It kind of sucks having to depend on this but having that potential makes going hard after these 3 5* recruits make sense.

[Home Jersey]

In the hypothetical scenario of Boogie de committing from UK... anyone actually suggesting we turn him away - having never actually even enrolled there or played a single game for UK - because he at first thought one of our rivals would be a better fit... is an unserious person IMO.
 

There's very little room for petty grievances when you're trying to win a championship. "Pride" can be a double edged sword if there's too much or too little.

Bottom line: If you've got someone who can help you get there, and they want to come, you sign him up. Every single time. Not even a question IMHO

[IndyResident16]

1 minute ago, TeeterInNJ said:

In the hypothetical scenario of Boogie de committing from UK... anyone actually suggesting we turn him away - having never actually even enrolled there or played a single game for UK - because he at first thought one of our rivals would be a better fit... is an unserious person IMO.
 

There's very little room for petty grievances when you're trying to win a championship. "Pride" can be a double edged sword if there's too much or too little.

Bottom line: If you've got someone who can help you get there, and they want to come, you sign him up. Every single time. Not even a question IMHO

I assume you’re doubling down on my comment? The post I responded to pretty clearly stated keeping tabs on him down the road in case he enters the portal which would obviously indicate he enrolled at UK.

Boogie will be committing to UK here in a few hours and signing his letter of intent in a few short weeks. Wish him well but after that couldn’t care less what happens. He chose to be a Wildcat.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Cool man. I am out again then. No worries. Don’t have time in my life for people like you. Interesting how some rules apply to some posters but not others.  Guess you can directly attack people. 
anyway 
I only posted here again because I was excited about a recruit, had some info, combined with some logic, etc and thought it would be interesting to many. I then got like 50 likes, well written comments, etc. it was just good info. You could always choose to ignore it. Just like Brass can with his disdain for social media follows. FYI… some people like and appreciate that insight but I can only post what you agree with. 
Funny thing is it is apparent you read my posts with a slant and don’t read what I actually type. I never, not one time said this was 100% lock, chastised (maybe Rabby and HH but guess others can but not me) never said my info was rock solid or anything. In fact, I carefully worded it to ensure it would not be portrayed like that from the likes of you in case my info and logic was off.. I said, it was based on logic with a little insight added in. Still honestly makes zero sense to me on why this changed. 
I do think it is a joke guys who have a job doing this for sure fully based their changes on Trilly.  inflate the pic % etc. guess I should do that. Can I put in for a do over like them? I can change my Ledlum and Fland pick. I am now 100%. Not sure why you are so upset. My pick percent is perfect. 
This is not my job man. I am a fan giving info I hear.  My change in tune was prior to Trilly and again, happy to share the screenshots at my trial. I didn’t run to here with the info, maybe I should have but wanted to wait for more before sending the board into a rage. 
I also didn’t immediately come here and try to defend anything until you immediately went at me. Brass asking if we can be done with social media tracking. 
funniest part is you bringing up Fland, MM and Ledlum. First, I was dead on with MM when nobody was and it was sound logic and insight. On top of that, had the big leak the day of.  Fland and Ledlum, people can think what they want but both of these now are ones that were locks (even for the entire staff, agencies, Trilly, etc) but I am the a-hole because I posted some different insight and logic while not ever saying it was a lock like I did with MM. 
I look at all of these boards, Twitter etc as info sharing. Speculating. Using logic to figure out if we are going to get the next big guy. All those that get pissed when the info doesn’t pan out is little crazy to me. Like… why are you here then? Just wait until the announcement and the season begins. Why are you and Brass the info police? Why do you even care if I am some drunken fool posting how we will land Flagg tomorrow? It is a freaking message board. Just ignore my posts. But no, you got to come at me and then somehow twist it that I am running here to defend myself. 
But again, stayed away for long time and have no issue doing it again. Not worth the headache. Not being a martyr. Just wanted to defend myself and will dip out. 
one last thing I will say on this. I still feel strongly the Cuban follow was big. In fact, if by sone chance Cuban doesn’t unfollow him tomorrow, then maybe there is a still a chance and one last Hail Mary. I bet you he does pretty quickly. So that again proved it was something but something happened.  My GUESS based on LOGIC and nothing else is what I said prior. Boogie used our offer to get a UK match because that was his preference. Seen it in sales for years and it sucks. Customer tells you that you won the bid, they are going with you etc. send me the quote. Put all this effort into a customer and they take it somewhere else for 2% more. 

I can't love this enough

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[go iu bb]

Maybe IU can use some to that ~$21M they save by not firing Tom Allen this year to build some more basketball facilities to help with recruiting.

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I assume you’re doubling down on my comment? The post I responded to pretty clearly stated keeping tabs on him down the road in case he enters the portal which would obviously indicate he enrolled at UK.

Boogie will be committing to UK here in a few hours and signing his letter of intent in a few short weeks. Wish him well but after that couldn’t care less what happens. He chose to be a Wildcat.

You're missing the bigger point. Let's not nitpick semantics within a totally hypothetical scenario. 

Hope he surprises us today. If not, and he changes his mind later, count me in the camp of "welcome him with open arms" 

First exhibition less than two weeks away. Let's go HOOOOOOSIERS