IUBB @ O$U - 2/21/22 @ 7:00 on FS1-TV

[JSHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I never wanted to hire Woody, but I also never expected our offense to be even worse under him than it was under Archie.

 

That's actually kind of impressive, in an awful and embarrassing kind of way. 

[HoosierAloha]

9 hours ago, Chris007 said:

No one believes that. Just ask anyone. You are never a glass half full guy. You need drama. I’ve had at least 5 people DM saying that about you and others. It’s true 

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

This team without TJD will be better.  Don’t be fooled by the dunks and the beating on his own chest.  He’s not bad at putting up a lot of empty numbers if that’s your thing.

I will take Race back though.

The Trayce slander has to stop. Were you saying this after he gave Wisconsin a 30 piece and shot 77% from the field? I don’t remember it. Or do you only say this after he has a bad game? And focusing on his offensive numbers ignores his very good defense. 

Teams don’t usually lose talent, not replace it, but get better. It’s especially rare when the talent is a good kid and not a locker room cancer. Do we beat OSU at home without his 27/12 and 5 blocks? We beat Nebraska by 7. Do we win without his 23/12? We beat notre dame by 8. Do we win without his 17/12? 

The idea that he just “puts up empty numbers” is not true in the slightest. He has the best offensive rating on the team at 120.6. Race is the next closest at 116.7, and Stewart is third at 108.9. Thus, the team’s offense is far better with Trayce on the court than without him on the court. 

Trayce is one of the most under appreciated Hoosiers in a long time. 

[Stuhoo]

 

Maybe I'm grasping at straws (and maybe not), but I really like Xavier Johnson's demeanor in this post-game interview:

 

 

[str8baller]

33 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

That's actually kind of impressive, in an awful and embarrassing kind of way. 

It’s embarrassing, but we’ve also been in these games. Our defense has been really good this year. And we start two swinging garden gates on D. 

A lot of these end of the games have come down to FT’s which were not good at either. 

If Woody can continue to teach that D and get us to average on offense we’ll be in a good spot when he retires. 

[Chris007]

8 hours ago, Old Friend said:

"We" was the southern IN IU fans, not alumni (generally speaking); as far as I know and I think it's probably "generally" accurate.    Embarrassing is being kind, however.

Yes, I believe it was more of Southern IN fans than alumni for sure. 

[Chris007]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Couple things I noticed last night. Parker Stewart needs to be more aggressive offensively driving the ball. He did it a few times in the first half and he was getting good shots or a pass to TJD. Would like to see Leal more. The offense just looks better with him out there. He moves without the ball and makes quick decisions. Two things the offense desperately lacks. 

Yeah I don't understand why play well in the first half if you're not going to get any minutes in the 2nd half. Leal & Geronimo both didn't get much or any minutes in the 2nd half. 

I thought Kopp finally started playing well and then sit for the final 8-9 minutes. Parker Stewart couldn't guard you.

[LamarCheeks]

Miller Kopp, BTW, has scored in double figures exactly three times this season. We thought we were getting another Nick Zeisloft. Instead, we got another Evan Fitzner -- albeit a smaller version. LOL. 

[Chris007]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The Trayce slander has to stop. Were you saying this after he gave Wisconsin a 30 piece and shot 77% from the field? I don’t remember it. Or do you only say this after he has a bad game? And focusing on his offensive numbers ignores his very good defense. 

Teams don’t usually lose talent, not replace it, but get better. It’s especially rare when the talent is a good kid and not a locker room cancer. Do we beat OSU at home without his 27/12 and 5 blocks? We beat Nebraska by 7. Do we win without his 23/12? We beat notre dame by 8. Do we win without his 17/12? 

The idea that he just “puts up empty numbers” is not true in the slightest. He has the best offensive rating on the team at 120.6. Race is the next closest at 116.7, and Stewart is third at 108.9. Thus, the team’s offense is far better with Trayce on the court than without him on the court. 

Trayce is one of the most under appreciated Hoosiers in a long time. 

Do you think he is the best player that loses a lot in IU history? Trying to think of another all-American for IU who puts up good numbers but has never gone to the tourney. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Miller Kopp, BTW, has scored in double figures exactly three times this season. We thought we were getting another Nick Zeisloft. Instead, we got another Evan Fitzner -- albeit a smaller version. LOL. 

It's tough to get into double figures when you only get two shots a game. Last night he inserted himself more. 

[LamarCheeks]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

It's tough to get into double figures when you only get two shots a game. Last night he inserted himself more. 

He was 2 for 8 last night. 

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

He was 2 for 8 last night. 

Just seemed to play better to me. At one point I think he scored 7 straight points.  I noticed Fife trying to get him back in for Stewart at the end for defense, but Woodson didn't pay any attention to them. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Do you think he is the best player that loses a lot in IU history? Trying to think of another all-American for IU who puts up good numbers but has never gone to the tourney. 

He’s 48-37 during his IU career. Obviously not great. But he probably makes the tournament his freshman season if covid doesn’t happen. I agree though, there hasn't been a lot of team success while he’s been here. Is that really his fault? He hasn’t had a whole lot to work with. Who’s the best perimeter player he’s played alongside?

He’s a 17/9 guy over his career and a career 55% from the field. He averaged two blocks a game. He’s played every single game of his college career. Never missed a game. Never been in trouble off the court. Without him we go from mediocre to bottom of the conference barrel over the last three years, and the ‘close losses’ we regularly have likely turn into 15-20 point beat downs. Even when he doesn’t have a great individual game he draws a ton of attention from the opposing defense. We just don’t have the weapons to take advantage of it. 

[HoosierAloha]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

And yet many on here want CMW fired already and some have felt the Administration made a mistake firing Sampscum.
 

 The roster is flawed and that proved obvious down the stretch with a 4 point lead and we had 3 positions in a row where we could have extended the lead to 6 or 7 around a minute to go, instead we tried to force feed TJD and that didn’t turn out well.  The biggest boneheaded feed was the obvious feed from the top of the key by Race and that was not ever going to work.  
 

instead, we needed someone who can create their own shot like Davis on Wisconsin and we don’t have that

How many teams have a player like Davis on Wiscy? If we're required to have a player like that to finish games we might as well hire some dude out of the stands, pay them a couple hundred thousand a year, and spend the rest on paying players. Teams are getting it done in the final minutes without a player like Davis. It just seems to escape us.

[HoosierAloha]

8 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU fans just getting put through the ringer these last 5 years.   Anything that could go wrong has.   February  has not been kind to IU since Creans last year 14-48 or something like that.  Winning time the last 4 min of games has been awful.  Outscored by close to 40 pts in B1G play in the last 4 min.    Sad part for IU is they are right there despite all of the shortcomings.    Wisky, Ohio St are top 18 seeds and IU was in these games until the end home and away.    Feel for the kids because they are close but at the end of the day still not good enough to overcome the weaknesses.    Probably got to be the most active fan base for a team that hasn’t had a winning conference record in 6 years.  Can’t imagine many other fans bases that have had a 6 year run like that and show up every day and still be active good or bad.    Don’t know the answer but hoping for the best 

I wish I had time to dig into these numbers more. Just quick math (40 points / 16 games) is only 2.5 points in the final 4 minutes. It's not good but not mind boggling bad.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s 48-37 during his IU career. Obviously not great. But he probably makes the tournament his freshman season if covid doesn’t happen. But I agree, there hasn't been a lot of team success while he’s been here. Is that really his fault? He hasn’t had a whole lot to work with. Who’s the best perimeter player he’s played alongside?

He’s 17/9 guy over his career who’s a career 55% from the field. He’s played every single game of his college career. Never missed a game. Never been in trouble off the court. Without him we go from mediocre to bottom of the conference barrel over the last three years. 

What bothers me is the lack of progress of a go-to move. I don't care at this point if he can hit a 12 ft jumper or drains 3's in warmups. But find one post-up move and perfect it. 

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I wish I had time to dig into these numbers more. Just quick math (40 points / 16 games) is only 2.5 points in the final 4 minutes. It's not good but not mind boggling bad.

 

[NashvilleHoosier]

11 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

He was 2 for 8 last night. 

I just don't get how the staff uses him. If he's supposed to be a shooter let's get him shots. If we aren't going to do that and he's going to be invisible on offense, why does he start? Yet last night he comes alive and plays arguably his best stretch of basketball for us after the under 12 timeout and was most definitely a catalyst in that comeback, then he gets yanked after missing a couple shots and we don't see him again until we need to chuck 3's in OT. Seems like something that will kill a kid's confidence. 

[lillurk]

12 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

How many teams have a player like Davis on Wiscy? If we're required to have a player like that to finish games we might as well higher some dude out of the stands, pay them a couple hundred thousand a year, and spend the rest on paying players. Teams are getting it done in the final minutes without a player like Davis. It just seems to escape us.

It would be nice to have Davis or similar but IU simply has zero dudes who can get a good shot for himself dependably

[Chris007]

Just now, lillurk said:

It would be nice to have Davis or similar but IU simply has zero dudes who can get a good shot for himself dependably

I don't think we need a Davis but we do need an upgrade of guards. Guards make the world go round in CBB