IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

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With every loss, the risk of getting shunted to the damn NIT gets more and more likely.

I know there are players that are doing their best on this team, but as a whole, there just isn't a lot of effort in trying.

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Ready for the off-season. Just need to support this program from April-January and all will be great. 

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Just now, MikeRoberts said:

100%
 

a lot of what you called out is on the staff. Weird and bad decisions that I truly believe cost is the win

The season is almost over and we have players doing things they shouldn't even be thinking about doing. In the name of freedom!

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Serious question: If we are going to get basically zero production from Kopp and Stewart then why not play Leal and Bates more and at least get them reps to improve for the future. They can't possibly produce less than Kopp and Stewart

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28 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

I love me some XJ, the reason is personal and in a different realm than basketball. That dude turned out pretty okay when the right leaders took him under their wings. XJ hasn't developed to where I had hoped but he showed some signs for a few games. I think this could have paid massive dividends if molded properly. Again, back to the summer and early noncon season. In the summer, I'd have Rob all up in his **** and have the officials not calling it. Put him in those positions where he is going to lost it and show him what is an acceptable response. You control that environment and can build good habits from it.

This.  I'll take a team of X's and Galloway's over a team of Kopp's and Stewart's every day of the week.  The X and Galloway's of the world wouldn't be taking 24 shots if the Kopp's and Stewart's were taking more than 7.  Bates has been shooting for crap but he at least is looking for his shot as well.

X and Galloway aren't good shooters.  I don't know what excuse Stewart and Kopp have.

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1 minute ago, IU_FanClub said:

Serious question: If we are going to get basically zero production from Kopp and Stewart then why not play Leal and Bates more and at least get them reps to improve for the future. They can't possibly produce less than Kopp and Stewart

Answer your question with a question..

Why bring them onto the team (or keep them) if you're not going to put them in the best position to succeed?

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2 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Serious question: If we are going to get basically zero production from Kopp and Stewart then why not play Leal and Bates more and at least get them reps to improve for the future. They can't possibly produce less than Kopp and Stewart

While I agree on Bates getting on the court, he is shooting 34% from the field and 29% from three.  But I know that at least when he doesn't score it isn't because he isn't passing up shots or working to get open.

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Answer your question with a question..

Why bring them onto the team (or keep them) if you're not going to put them in the best position to succeed?

While more could be done to get them shots, I don't think I've ever seen a more passive shooter than Stewart.  Forgot three point shooting......have you ever seen Stewart go to the hoop one time?  Even on a fast break?

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I will say that other than the posts on this page,I have not gone through this thread, as it is likely the same thread after every IU loss. I imagine there is the Woody doesn't know how to coach, these guys choke, they lack effort, ...

 

Anyway it is really simple, as a whole, these players are not physically gifted as good shooters. This could simply be the end thread sentence.  For everything he does to lift his lesser teammates, even TJD's FT shooting is a constant let down.

 

And every position, not TJD, is playing one level above what they should be at IU or any other elite or more factually a once elite program.  X,PS, Kopp are not starting guards/wings at a top 20 program. TG,KL,JG should be no more than spot minute guys. RT is about what he should be a great compliment to a stud player.

Anyway, I will hold off judgement on CMW until he gets some players here that fit his vision. He has this team playing defense at a level not seen in years at IU, and I hope once he gets a crop of shooters at IU that things will quickly return to the what, the  unrealistic at the moment, expectations of the fanbase. Now if, in a year or 2 the offense is the same rudderless ship, the sky is falling rhetoric may be more justified.

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Just now, brumdog45 said:

While more could be done to get them shots, I don't think I've ever seen a more passive shooter than Stewart.  Forgot three point shooting......have you ever seen Stewart go to the hoop one time?  Even on a fast break?

Yes, he got ran down on a break just a game or two ago. I've never seen a guy move so slow on a wide open break

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1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Woody can still turn it around. He has a lot of work to do.

I'm still beyond shocked he would have P Stew handling the ball and draw that (whatever that was supposed to be) up as the play that would tie the game.

I think the reality of the college game has staggered Woody a bit. Let's see how he gets back up.

Woody has plenty of time. Scott isn’t going to fire him anytime soon. The recruits next year and a summer or development will help. But losing TJD and Race potentially will be killer. Even if we hit the transfer market, there’s a reason these players are transferring to another school. Sometimes the grass is greener, sometimes it isn’t for these players. 
 

The last play is more likely to work in the NBA, but even then it was pretty simple. I’m sure there’s a major difference between coaching NBA players as an assistant to coaching D1 athletes who are no where near NBA players. We need a more modern offense, I think Woodson mentioned modern during the off season but I see pretty bland stuff out there so far.  

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I can try to confirm this later on Synergy. But it’s not too surprising. 

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8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Answer your question with a question..

Why bring them onto the team (or keep them) if you're not going to put them in the best position to succeed?

I don’t think either return next year anyways and if they do they will be end of the bench players that get maybe 6 minutes of play

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16 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Serious question: If we are going to get basically zero production from Kopp and Stewart then why not play Leal and Bates more and at least get them reps to improve for the future. They can't possibly produce less than Kopp and Stewart

You have changed your tune quite a bit since you’re first post on here last month

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Didn't watch the game too closely as friends convinced me to play Halo instead, but why on earth in crunchtime did IU have Kopp guarding Davis? That doesn't seem like a good recipe for closing out a win. Kopp may be a nice guy and provide leadership, but he leaves a lot to be desired on the court

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1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

This.  I'll take a team of X's and Galloway's over a team of Kopp's and Stewart's every day of the week.  The X and Galloway's of the world wouldn't be taking 24 shots if the Kopp's and Stewart's were taking more than 7.  Bates has been shooting for crap but he at least is looking for his shot as well.

X and Galloway aren't good shooters.  I don't know what excuse Stewart and Kopp have.

The system is set up for them to stand and hope we do something in the post. If they moved, maybe set an off ball screen, and sprinted into position for a wide open shot we might score more points. That might result in us scoring more points than the opponent. Post and pray seemed to work well enough against inferior opponents, not so much against equal or superior opponents. It's almost as if it's relatively easy to defend.

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9 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

You have changed your tune quite a bit since you’re first post on here last month

Been a rough month lol but I feel like my question is fair it may be a bit negative but I think building toward the future while getting the same if not slightly even more production would be a good thing to do

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17 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

While more could be done to get them shots, I don't think I've ever seen a more passive shooter than Stewart.  Forgot three point shooting......have you ever seen Stewart go to the hoop one time?  Even on a fast break?

He did last night, once that I recall, it took him awhile to get there and he didn't finish but he went there. He's done it a few more times recently but it's not his game. Why are will still trying to jam square pegs in round holes?

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22 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

While I agree on Bates getting on the court, he is shooting 34% from the field and 29% from three.  But I know that at least when he doesn't score it isn't because he isn't passing up shots or working to get open.

Yeah it just feels like at least him and Leal could be getting reps to get better because even if they're bad Kopp and Stewart are just as bad if not worse

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Just now, IU_FanClub said:

Been a rough month lol but I feel like my question is fair it may be a bit negative but I think building toward the future while getting the same if not slightly even more production would be a good thing to do

I’m not disagreeing with you at all. As you pointed out, it was a bit critical/negative and I think that is ok.