2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[Alford Bailey]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

"Wing" is such a catch all phrase that it's started to lose its meaning.  Not all wings are the same.  McNeil is a shooting guard.  And if you go with the assumption that if the coach thinks it's correct, therefore it is correct, then I assume you agree with the putting in of five bench players at once + Stewart and Kopp getting 50 minutes per game and starting all year.

It’s just silly. Similar to the guys who said Lander should be playing. Geronimo has played for 2 coaches and neither thought he was wing/3 material.

[PB1230]

26 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

It’s just silly. Similar to the guys who said Lander should be playing. Geronimo has played for 2 coaches and neither thought he was wing/3 material.

Also for all we know, both coaches were working with JG in practice (surprising concept for some) on things that would prepare him to more effectively play the 3 and he just wasn't fully picking those things up. In which case, playing experience in real games won't really get him up to speed either.

[Brass Cannon]

Well we should know soon. May 1st is rapidly approaching 

[MikeRoberts]

34 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

It’s just silly. Similar to the guys who said Lander should be playing. Geronimo has played for 2 coaches and neither thought he was wing/3 material.

He is late to the game in general. He can play the 3 if the staff plays him there. When he arrived at IU he wasn’t much of a basketball player at all, could have walked out onto the football field and had just as much success. 
he’s a high ceiling work in progress. He needs to go wherever the staff is committed to him developing at the 3. He has the chance to make professional money at the 3 whether that be in the nba or overseas but not as likely at the 4

[yogisballin]

I'll leave it at this (until I get sucked in again :)
If Jordan Geronimo was a wing, he would have at least gotten some wing minutes the last two seasons.
If he was a wing, he would have gotten wing minutes on two teams that desperately needed better wing talent, and he never even got a look on the wing. 
If JG is a wing, and his coach thought he was a wing, why is his coach still  recruiting two more wings? If TJD leaves, we lost Durr, and if JG is all of the sudden a wing out of  nowhere, and we only replaced three bigs with Reneau, then why are we still recruiting wings?
This debate is Justin Smith, OG, Troy Williams and Watford all over again. 

Extremely solid points. If you ask me, there is no debate


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[jk34]

Don't know much about this guy, but the guys/girls on BR, seem to think he's "in the know" lol

[Hoosierfanyuh]

4 minutes ago, jk34 said:

Don't know much about this guy, but the guys/girls on BR, seem to think he's "in the know" lol

He copy paste peegs alot lol

[jk34]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

He copy paste peegs alot lol

Makes sense! 

[ib4iu]

I hope I’m wrong and JG makes a major leap. Plays huge minutes. 2nd leading scorer behind TJD. Shoots 35%+ from 3. But like others have said we waited for these types of improvements from the ultra athletic 6’6-6’7 guy. Troy Williams never greatly improved his handle or shot. Justin Smith never greatly improved his handle or shot. OG you could see it happening and he’s gone. There are way more Justin Smiths and Troy Williams than there are OG’s. Hopefully Woody does get JG to be more OG than JS or TW. I’m just tired of waiting for the ultra athletic guy to put it all together. It rarely happens if they don’t already have the skill before college. And for the record I like JG more than others on the roster. He’s just the only current player who has previously mentioned anything about transferring. 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, ib4iu said:

I hope I’m wrong and JG makes a major leap. Plays huge minutes. 2nd leading scorer behind TJD. Shoots 35%+ from 3. But like others have said we waited for these types of improvements from the ultra athletic 6’6-6’7 guy. Troy Williams never greatly improved his handle or shot. Justin Smith never greatly improved his handle or shot. OG you could see it happening and he’s gone. There are way more Justin Smiths and Troy Williams than there are OG’s. Hopefully Woody does get JG to be more OG than JS or TW. I’m just tired of waiting for the ultra athletic guy to put it all together. It rarely happens if they don’t already have the skill before college. And for the record I like JG more than others on the roster. He’s just the only current player who has previously mentioned anything about transferring. 

At the end of the day we have to count on Woodson to be Better at molding a kid than Crean and Archie.  I’m pretty sure he could handle that on zoom kind of a low bar 

[BGleas]

7 minutes ago, ib4iu said:

I hope I’m wrong and JG makes a major leap. Plays huge minutes. 2nd leading scorer behind TJD. Shoots 35%+ from 3. But like others have said we waited for these types of improvements from the ultra athletic 6’6-6’7 guy. Troy Williams never greatly improved his handle or shot. Justin Smith never greatly improved his handle or shot. OG you could see it happening and he’s gone. There are way more Justin Smiths and Troy Williams than there are OG’s. Hopefully Woody does get JG to be more OG than JS or TW. I’m just tired of waiting for the ultra athletic guy to put it all together. It rarely happens if they don’t already have the skill before college. And for the record I like JG more than others on the roster. He’s just the only current player who has previously mentioned anything about transferring. 

I'll disagree with you on Troy Williams, he developed a lot. He was the 2nd leading scorer, tied for team lead in rebounding and shot 35% from 3 on a Big Ten Title team that went to the Sweet Sixteen. 

Also, OG was developing nicely before his knee injury. 

But, both guys played the college 4, where they belonged. 

[cthomas]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

I'll leave it at this (until I get sucked in again :)

If Jordan Geronimo was a wing, he would have at least gotten some wing minutes the last two seasons.

If he was a wing, he would have gotten wing minutes on two teams that desperately needed better wing talent, and he never even got a look on the wing. 

If JG is a wing, and his coach thought he was a wing, why is his coach still  recruiting two more wings? If TJD leaves, we lost Durr, and if JG is all of the sudden a wing out of  nowhere, and we only replaced three bigs with Reneau, then why are we still recruiting wings?

This debate is Justin Smith, OG, Troy Williams and Watford all over again. 

Yes, and thank you. CMW knows what he is looking at in terms of who can play where. If he doesn't use JG on the wing there is probably a good reason why. Because we want him to be something doesn't mean he is. Maybe he can develop those skills, but right now the coaching staff doesn't think he has them. Therefore we are still recruiting for the position. I love his potential at the four. We saw a glimpse of what he can do there toward the end of the season and it was pretty impressive. I think the best approach heading into his third year is to maximize what he does best and not to try to transform him into something he isn't.

[HoosierHoops1]

11 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t know but he hasn’t overtly said he is staying like others have. I hope he stays but if he really wants minutes this year (I have no idea if he is willing to put in 1,2 or 3 more years to get minutes) he might not see an opening if TJD and Race stay and with the addition of Malik (I know he is a 4 but he could possibly get some time on the court with Race at the 5 (ie instead of DL). On the other hand he might love IU and having the time of his life.

 

You did it again! 

[HoosierHoops1]

8 hours ago, BGleas said:

I don’t think we could have a better situation with the 13th scholarship, if that's what we're calling it, then Anthony Leal. 

Local kid, works his butt off, plays incredibly hard when he gets in, moves the ball incredibly well when he plays, and literally never complains about playing time or anything. 

It's infinitely better to have that, as opposed to a malcontent that pissed off about playing time on the end of the bench. 

I'm not advocating getting rid of Leal or anyone, just when people make a point to say there's no need to replace the 13th player because they don't play anyway.  We're not trying to recruit a new #13 but someone better than that. it's not trying to replace Priller with Hoetzel.

[RaceToTheTop]

23 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

You did it again! 

I can’t wait until SHJ feeds DJT an alley oop.

[HoosierHoops1]

4 hours ago, IU Scott said:

No team plays 11-13 players and most only play a 7-8 man rotation.  Just look at the final four teams and I don't think any of them had 13 scholarship players.

Kansas had 14.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Kansas had 14.

And they were probably paying 16 under the table.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

"Wing" is such a catch all phrase that it's started to lose its meaning.  Not all wings are the same.  McNeil is a shooting guard.  And if you go with the assumption that if the coach thinks it's correct, therefore it is correct, then I assume you agree with the putting in of five bench players at once + Stewart and Kopp getting 50 minutes per game and starting all year.

Or hey the natural extension, because CAM played Smith as a “wing” therefore he was a wing! Clearly if he was a 4 CAM would’ve not put him at the 3, right?

the insistence of being right seems to be getting in the way of actual discussion. Ignoring, as has bern repeatedly stated, that we’re talking about playing him on the wing with a developed handle, as necessary for the wing, as in no one said he already has that, with developed experience at the position becsuse he clearly has the physical tools and defensive tenacity and demonstrated exceptional D at the 4 spot already including defending - blocking 3’s, and obviously unlike Smith in any way has a good looking outside shot and has knocked down big 3’s in several games (are we really comparing JG to Smith? Really?) is just to say but look he hasn’t played the 3 yet therefore he can’t? Ok.

 A pessimist finds difficulty in every opportunity. An optimist finds opportunity in every difficulty. :)

I see plenty of reason to develop JG — to improve his handle - to give him and the team more versatility. If he can’t he can’t, but no, we don’t know that.

shouldn’t have ever let Vic shoot 3’s after his first 2 seasons bc you know he couldn’t shoot. Oh yeah, 40-plus shooter as a junior. Same conversation then - I remember it well, he’s not and won’t be an outside shooter. Ok. 

 

[CSP]

4 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

No… our front court played the entire 40 minutes and was gassed despite their being a scholarship player on the bench available.

the guards got a breather, from a walk on…

Not sure why that is hard to comprehend - our front court NEVER played the entire game before or after that, they usually get a breather and could have that game but coach opted to run them into the ground vs put Logan Duncomb in even for 1 play

JG didn't play? LD would have played ahead of JG? 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

 

 A pessimist finds difficulty in every opportunity. An optimist finds opportunity in every difficulty. :)

Damn straight.

And I’m hoping Jordan Geronimo is an optimist.