Where does IU Football go from here

[Alford Bailey 12,387]

Apparently LEO was rebranded to mean" Lose Every Outing". 

[Stuhoo 81,061]

2 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I will compare W2's and career trajectory with you any time.  Be careful.  (I'll also compare golf handicap, achievements of kids, hotness of wife/girlfriend, number of close friends, cool vacations, resumes, and anything else you'd like)  

Sure, but would you compare the hotness of your W-2s, the cool handicaps of your wife/girlfriend, the trajectory of your golf kids, or the resumes of your vacations?

Cause that’s what matters most.

 

[LamarCheeks 19,046]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

Apparently LEO was rebranded to mean" Lose Every Outing". 

Low Efficiency Offense? 

[Josh 12,649]

This thread has gotten really weird

[DChoosier 8,519]

The fact that there are 50 yard line seats on Stubhub for $9.00 sums up the season. 

[Old Friend 8,389]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Sure, but would you compare the hotness of your W-2s, the cool handicaps of your wife/girlfriend, the trajectory of your golf kids, or the resumes of your vacations?

Cause that’s what matters most.

 

Yes.  Yes I would.  (I just felt like talkin' a little trash to the lad.  Mea culpa)

[HoosierX 1,572]

4 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I will compare W2's and career trajectory with you any time.  Be careful.  (I'll also compare golf handicap, achievements of kids, hotness of wife/girlfriend, number of close friends, cool vacations, resumes, and anything else you'd like)  The irony of bold above is thick.  

For the record :

* Success isn't a destination.  If you succeed and can't sustain it, it's either luck, good timing, or a fluke.  Things change and mentioning last year is a comical reach.

*  Who gets to define success?  Someone promoted to a position  he's not ready for isn't successful.   See :  Nick Sheridan

*  When changes are made - and they will be - I fully expect to see YOUR vitriolic self here apologizing with a whole lot of humility.  Dudes getting on you are absolutely justified in doing so; and your comments are as laughable as they are misplaced and unjustifiably judgmental.

*  More than you have played the game, other sports at high levels, and coached at high levels.  Don't kid yourself.

You have a wife and a girlfriend? Jealous ;)

[HoosierX 1,572]

45 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

The fact that there are 50 yard line seats on Stubhub for $9.00 sums up the season. 

I mean if you’re going to clear like $7 a ticket, is it even worth selling them?

[Rico 3,063]

10 hours ago, Josh said:

This thread has gotten really weird

[Lebowski 2,744]

Three main issues in my opinion.   

1. That front 5 is awful. I mean, it's really bad. Like atrocious. Like hard to watch. It really doesn't matter who the QB is. It could be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning at QB and they'd struggle to score enough points to win a game with that front 5. Anyone that understands the very basics of the game fully understands the issue on the offensive side of the ball. 
2. They've gotten worse on the defensive side as well. (But lack of depth might be the contributing factor for that.)  
3. And every team has gotten better to where IUFB hasn't. (Development of players dropped this season.)

The other issue that hopefully through time will correct itself is lack of depth.  For example, losing DJ Matthews to injury early really hurt the deep ball threat, apparently there isn't anyone on the roster to replace him. (But to be fair if he were playing now I'm not sure he'd even be a threat because the QB has zero time to throw the deep ball. See issue #1.) And there are many more examples at each position that are facing injuries. There's a major talent/skill level difference between 1 on the depth chart to 2 on the depth chart. That's not the case for the rest of the Big Ten teams.

Folks, like it or not Rutgers has a good football coach. Get used to the Scarlet Knights winning games. I won't be surprised to see them compete for the division here in the future. I'm not making an excuse for CTA, I'm just pointing out that the division is loaded. Basically, it's the big boy table.  

Based on CTA's post Rutgers game comments, a change is coming.  Hopefully he knocks it out of the park on bringing in staff that addresses the 3 issues I've pointed out. Otherwise we Hoosier faithful will continue to have these types of conversations on here. 

[LamarCheeks 19,046]

1 hour ago, Lebowski said:

Folks, like it or not Rutgers has a good football coach. Get used to the Scarlet Knights winning games. I won't be surprised to see them compete for the division here in the future. I'm not making an excuse for CTA, I'm just pointing out that the division is loaded. Basically, it's the big boy table.  

 

Don't disagree with much of what you wrote (full text a couple slots above; just highlighted the part I wanted to discuss), but think you might be way overestimating the State University of New Jersey's football program. What happened Saturday was gross incompetence on IU's behalf -- not really anything the SUNJ did. A dozen FCS teams would've kicked our a-s the other day. 

Schiano is OK -- he's about at the level he should be. He was at Rutgers, left for greener pastures, failed, and came crawling back. 

Just don't see the Scarlet Knights ever pushing OSU, Michigan, PSU, etc. in the B1G East. The only thing on the rise in New Jersey is the crime rate. LOL!!! 

 

[Alford Bailey 12,387]

Tom Allen was supposedly building a roster with depth over the last few years. 12 th ranked classes should of told us better but that’s what we were led to believe. We find ourselves with a roster similar to any we might have seen in the last 25 years. A few bright spots surrounded by huge holes and MAC level talent. He hasn’t been great in the transfer portal either. I believe we are a net negative there. These problems will take awhile to fix.

[colonel06 1,917]

Dakich wouldn’t talk football with Fisch in his Monday show, Hoosier basketball yes, but no football!

[Old Friend 8,389]

15 hours ago, HoosierX said:

You have a wife and a girlfriend? Jealous ;)

I did.  Now just a girlfriend.  =)

[Old Friend 8,389]

1 hour ago, colonel06 said:

Dakich wouldn’t talk football with Fisch in his Monday show, Hoosier basketball yes, but no football!

Do you blame him or any radio host?  It's a ratings business and football will send people back to work and to turn off the radio.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,502]

1 hour ago, colonel06 said:

Dakich wouldn’t talk football with Fisch in his Monday show, Hoosier basketball yes, but no football!

IU basketball will always be more popular than IU football, and especially so when the football team is 2-8. The iufb season is all but over, no point in Dakich wasting even a second talking about it. 

[Lebowski 2,744]

3 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

Don't disagree with much of what you wrote (full text a couple slots above; just highlighted the part I wanted to discuss), but think you might be way overestimating the State University of New Jersey's football program. What happened Saturday was gross incompetence on IU's behalf -- not really anything the SUNJ did. A dozen FCS teams would've kicked our a-s the other day. 

Schiano is OK -- he's about at the level he should be. He was at Rutgers, left for greener pastures, failed, and came crawling back. 

Just don't see the Scarlet Knights ever pushing OSU, Michigan, PSU, etc. in the B1G East. The only thing on the rise in New Jersey is the crime rate. LOL!!! 

 

That's cool man. To each his own. 

In my opinion I think you might be overlooking Schiano. He's an ex-NFL HC and DC, coached in a CFP playoff game as the AHC/DC, and was named National Recruiter of the Year in 2018.  Like it or not, players are attracted to that (ie see MSU). In his second season he's one win away from a bowl (where he currently holds a 5-1 overall record in bowl games) and currently holds a recruiting class ranked higher than IUFB. In that class, 50% of the commits aren't from the state of NJ, one of those being an OL from Leo, IN. All this tells me two things, he's taking potential players out of our home and he's developing his players. He's basically taking a seat at the big boy table and based on his past, I won't be surprised to see him compete in the division.  

[Lebowski 2,744]

2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

Tom Allen was supposedly building a roster with depth over the last few years. 12 th ranked classes should of told us better but that’s what we were led to believe. We find ourselves with a roster similar to any we might have seen in the last 25 years. A few bright spots surrounded by huge holes and MAC level talent. He hasn’t been great in the transfer portal either. I believe we are a net negative there. These problems will take awhile to fix.

What he was able to do with those classes was develop the players.  The past two seasons have been without Coach Ballou and Dr. Rhea and it's starting to show now.  Losing that duo to Bama was a major blow to the program.  Hopefully, CTA makes changes here as well.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,719]

3 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

He hasn’t been great in the transfer portal either. 

I think Matthews, Anderson, Carr and Kramer were pretty solid pick ups in the portal. And maybe even Carpenter...seems like the only time the O-line looked even half way decent has been when he is in there. Carr just didn't get the chance to prove much behind a terrible line. But, you still make a good point. I remember reading where Allen wouldn't take anyone in the portal that didn't have some sort of previous relationship with a player or coach in order to protect the culture. That policy needs to be thrown out the window. We don't need to take anybody and everybody, but we shouldn't be limiting our options in any way. If someone can play, give them a good look. Our culture means very little if we're losing like this.  

[craigyv88 384]

Among other issues currently playing themselves out on the field, I think one of the things holding this team back is a lack of production from some of the top-end rated recruits we've gotten under this staff, which has contributed to depth being at a low level and has made injuries impact the team to a greater extent.  Some of this likely stems from Coach Ballou and Dr. Rhea moving on to Alabama as noted in previous posts, and I understand that not all 4-star players are ready to contribute right away.  It's also worth noting that we've had a few 3-star guys turn out to be fantastic players under this staff as well (Mullen, McFadden, J. Johnson).  Nonetheless, I couldn't help but feel like we aren't getting much out of the multiple 4-star recruits from the last cycles when recruits of that caliber remain at a premium for IU.  I looked into the total production in an IU uniform from our eight 4-stars going back three cycles, and here is what I found:

2019

Sampson James (RB) - Rushed for a total of 371 yards on 81 attempts (3.3 YPC) for 3 TD’s in two seasons.  Transferred to Purdue.

Beau Robbins (DE/EDGE) – Recorded 4 total tackles, 2 solo

Cameron Williams (LB) – One special teams tackle against Cincinnati

2020

Rashawn Williams (WR) – Never appeared on the field.  Transferred to Hutchinson Community College.

Damarjhe Lewis (DL) – Never appeared on the field.  Transferred to Purdue.

2021

Donaven McCulley (QB) – Talented and likely QB of the future but not ready for the predicament he's found himself in.  32/75 for 458 yds, 2 TD's / 0 INT's.

Jaquez Smith (WR) – Saw game action only against Maryland.  No stats recorded.   

Malachi Holt-Bennett (WR) - Only recorded stat I could find was an incomplete pass thrown against Rutgers.

Granted it's still quite early for the 2021 kids and I really like McCulley, Smith, and MHB and what they could potentially bring to the field.  And we have multiple 4-star recruits that aren't even here yet (McCullough, Trevell Mullen, Payne, etc).  But I think it begs the question how much more ready do these guys need to be to be better than the current awful product on the field?  And if they aren't getting there, is that a product of bad coaching, bad development, bad ratings, or all three?