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[Stuhoo 85,482]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He very well could be a great recruiter. It sounds like he's a personable person. He played in the NBA for over a decade and has coached in it for over two. He's never recruited before, but he's a black man from Indianapolis who played at IU. That would help him relate to the kids he's recruiting. 

I still don't want him but I'm trying to look on the bright side this morning. 

He's gonna be 63 this week. He can be a recruiting closer, but he's not gonna be out there beating the AAU bushes.

However, I really think his best recruiting plus is who he could put on staff. In the past ten years, he's been hanging out with so many big-name, high character NBA players: Felton, Delk, about to retire DeAndre Jordan (would be an incredible assistant), Melo and Rose, Jamal Crawford (what a GREAT get he would be). Too many others to name.

 

[Hardwood83 4,834]

27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Woodson has the potential (mind you...potential) to be a GREAT recruiter--he has so so many recently retired NBA names that could be on staff. Also, he has been the 'offensive coordinator' for some very fast-paced, efficient, modern-era, three point friendly NBA teams. It's contrary to expectations from an old-school Knight-era guy, but Woody is a guy that really gets an offense humming.

Beilein? Great coach...great coach. Great guy. I worry a lot about recruiting with him too--not because of the 'thugs' comment--a good man like Beilein will have plenty of people to vouch for his character. However, it WILL be used against a 68+ year old coach that his shelf life is short. If not this year, then  a year or two from now for sure.

If those are my choices give me Woody every time.

 

Your reasoning is sound. Between THOSE two, I would lean towards Woodson. 

However, does anyone here truly believe Mike Woodson is the best coach IU can get? Not asking "could he succeed?" or "Could we do worse?" of course the answer to both is yes. Simply asking is Mike Woodson, +60yo NBA journeyman that has never coached in college- the best option for IU basketball? I don't think he's even in the top 10. If Dolson thinks so then: A) He burned through a lot of other options and we're settling or B) His list and mine bear no resemblance to each other.

Hire the best candidate you can. If that is Mike Woodson we're not looking very hard.  

[Hoosierfan2017 23,253]

I will say this about Woodson.. If it’s between him and the mid major flavor of the month, I’d go with him. I want us to avoid a mid major guy at all costs. If Woodson would have his teams play an offense that doesn’t make me want to stab my eyes out like Archie’s did then I’d give him a shot.

[Chris007 54,623]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

He's gonna be 63 this week. He can be a recruiting closer, but he's not gonna be out there beating the AAU bushes.

However, I really think his best recruiting plus is who he could put on staff. In the past ten years, he's been hanging out with sSO many big-name, high character NBA players: Felton, Delk, about to retire DeAndre Jordan (would be an incredible assistant), Melo and Rose, Jamal Crawford (what a GREAT get he would be). Too many others to name.

 

Not that it should matter but don't you have to have a degree to be an assistant? I don't believe any of those players you named have one. But I could be wrong. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,043]

I guess I'll just hop on the Woodson train. Let's just get something done boys. Anything will be better Archie. 

[Trish 12,696]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I will say this about Woodson.. If it’s between him and the mid major flavor of the month, I’d go with him. I want us to avoid a mid major guy at all costs. If Woodson would have his teams play an offense that doesn’t make me want to stab my eyes out like Archie’s did then I’d give him a shot.

Well he's coaching the slowest paced team in the entire NBA at the moment.

So... 

[Hardwood83 4,834]

4 minutes ago, Iubravos said:

Then be happy with another low offer for a mid major coach. Why do we care if they get 3 mil or 6 mil? Got to pay to get one of those guys. No reason to be cheap because obviously that hasn't worked. 

There is a difference between paying well and making them the highest paid coach in NCAA. The original comment was "offer $8million". 

[Stuhoo 85,482]

Just now, Hardwood83 said:

Your reasoning is sound. Between THOSE two, I would lean towards Woodson. 

However, does anyone here truly believe Mike Woodson is the best coach IU can get? Not asking "could he succeed?" or "Could we do worse?" of course the answer to both is yes. Simply asking is Mike Woodson, +60yo NBA journeyman that has never coached in college- the best option for IU basketball? I don't think he's even in the top 10. If Dolson thinks so then: A) He burned through a lot of other options and we're settling or B) His list and mine bear no resemblance to each other.

Hire the best candidate you can. If that is Mike Woodson we're not looking very hard.  

Best coach we could get?

A great question that we'll never be able to answer in 2021. This I think we can all agree is true:

Somewhere out there is a first ballot hall of fame coach that is in his 30's or early 40's and on someone's staff. We can get him ... now.

THAT is the best coach we could get. Now name him (cause I can't ;)

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not that it should matter but don't you have to have a degree to be an assistant? I don't believe any of those players you named have one. But I could be wrong. 

Send 'em to UNC for a week, they'll come back with one. 

[Capt. Crimson 3,732]

Just think of the GIF potential guys...

[Stuhoo 85,482]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Just sayin'...in that gif his team is ahead 33-13. That's a coach you probably don't want to 'f' with

[rcbowla 7,558]

I don't want Alford at all, but honestly if the administration is hellbent on picking an IU guy then he would be my choice. He's the only one with actual college head coaching experience. We'd know what we are getting, which admittedly isn't all that great, but I'd rather do it than take a flier on an assistant or Woodson. 

Fife does have D1 HC experience to be fair

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,043]

I guess I'll just hop on the Woodson train. Let's just get something done boys. Anything will be better Archie. 

[rcbowla 7,558]

We don't really know who option 1 has been.
What if it's been Porter Moser, Enfield, Mike Lewis, Drew, Musselman, or Oats all along? 
Can anyone really tell me why that cannot be the case? And if so, we would not get a whisper for a few more weeks.
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One thing I'm reasonably sure of. If we don't hear by the end of this week, then we are not going after Beilein, Woodson, Fife, Beard, Alford, or Mack. That would happen by this Friday, give or take a day or two. 
 

At least they aren't at the top anyhow. They could still end up being the guy if the top options don't pan out but agree with your overall point

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9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

He's gonna be 63 this week. He can be a recruiting closer, but he's not gonna be out there beating the AAU bushes.

However, I really think his best recruiting plus is who he could put on staff. In the past ten years, he's been hanging out with so many big-name, high character NBA players: Felton, Delk, about to retire DeAndre Jordan (would be an incredible assistant), Melo and Rose, Jamal Crawford (what a GREAT get he would be). Too many others to name.

 

For some reason having a staff made up of assistants that almost certainly received impermissible benefits while in college does not give me the warm and fuzzies. 

[Hoosierfan222 734]

In this age, having the strongest meme game is the key to success... Woodson is one of the best in that regard!

[Hoosierfan2017 23,253]

7 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Fife does have D1 HC experience to be fair

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Sorry yeah I forgot about Fife's time at IPFW

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14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not that it should matter but don't you have to have a degree to be an assistant? I don't believe any of those players you named have one. But I could be wrong. 

Is that an actual rule? That seems bizarre

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49 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

I guess I'm confused, if all the rumors are to be believed, why Dolson started with his A-list candidate, and when that supposedly fell through he pulled out his D-list instead of waiting for the Bs to finish the tournament.

I mean, you obviously start with your dream hire and work your way down. I don’t know that the admin ever preferred some of the guys this board does over TM - and I’d argue rightfully so. 

And sure, there may be other calls to make before you get to JB and MW (or even TM), but if they’re not interested, that process takes five minutes.

I also just don’t know all of what they’ve heard already from the agents of the guys still in the tourney. It could be that for one or two of them they’ve been told “I’ll talk to you when we’re eliminated” in which case you move forward with narrowing your pool but don’t make the hire yet if it’s possible he could rise to the top of your list. For example, it could be that they still want to talk to someone like Porter before they make they’re hire, even if they favor JB and MW right now. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan222 said:

Is that an actual rule? That seems bizarre

I do not know, but I am nearly 100% sure it is not a rule.

Edit: I am not advocating for those assistant coaches, by the way.