General Coach Candidate News

[ronzo4IU 251]

4 hours ago, Rusty Shackleford said:

Has anybody else been following CurryHicksSage on twitter? He's been hosting hours long coaching search season spaces every couple of nights. He's definitely plugged in, especially when it comes to low and mid major jobs. Very, very interesting to listen to. 

I'll try to summarize what he's said that pertains to IU. He's definitely getting info from the agent and search firm side of things. He's very transparent about where his sources come from and how reliable they may or may not be and is open about the fact that some people may be using him to plant smokescreens/disinfo.

1. On Friday and again last night he said the 2 names he's been hearing most related to the IU search are Brownell and McCollum. This could just be agents pushing things or where the search firm is on the vetting list.

2. On Brownell: he says according to a coach who worked with Brownell, he has one of the largest playbooks in D1 and it takes his teams forever to learn his offense. So in his opinion, he doesn't expect IU admin or fans to have the patience for a 3-4 year implementation plus the inevitable portal turnover setting things back. He doesn't see Brownell as a very good fit for IU.

3. On McCollum: He's an enormous fan of the guy and has been advocating for him for a few years now. Says McCollum is a pure ball coach -- "savant" level. But he makes a very compelling argument that the higher you go up the coaching ladder, the less the X's and O's matter. Still matters, but upper level jobs require coaches to be so much more than just ball coaches. And he points out that especially at Indiana, you have to be a politician/salesman as well. So he doesn't think McCollum is a good fit for IU either. Also notes McCollum was very careful about selecting which D1 job to step into and doesn't expect him to jump right to an IU level job. Notes that moving from Drake to IU is a much bigger step than moving from D2 to Drake.

4. His opinion is that IU should go after Wade but he doesn't think he'll be an option because IU wants a "clean" hire. Thinks Wade ends up at NC State.

Take it all with a grain of salt but the info lines up with what other sources have said this past week but moreover, the analysis is spot on, IMO. 

Personally, I'm on the Brad train until it derails but I wanted to share this info since it's out there and like I said, this guy seems very connected.

Tks for the rundown, but I disagree with the part about “the coach at Indiana needs to be a salesman/politician”.  That’s way overblown imo.  What we need is a coach who knows basketball and can infuse enthusiasm based on substance…no more bulls#%# snake oil used car salesman crap.

[HoosierTrav 8,153]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

I say this playfully… have you been in a coma since the turn of the century? :)

This is the problem with people setting their expectations on Brad Stevens. 
 

If there is anyone not named Brad Stevens but in the mold of Brad Stevens over the last decade, it’s Ben McCollum.

[hoosiersoxfan 422]

2 minutes ago, ceast11 said:

No one knows who Dolson is focused on. But if we are hiring the head coach of Drake, the IU basketball brand has fallen tremendously! Despite the NIL war chest, blueblood status, and large coaching salary, that’s the best we can do? 
Sure, McCollum could be successful at IU. But comparing it to Cig & IU football is crazy! One is the losingest program in D1 history, the other is a 5 time national champion.

I feel like IU basketball should be able to do better! Are we all delusional?!?!

We've hired historically from Army, Oklahoma, Marquette, Dayton, an NBA assistant, and our own assistant.  It's not like we are pulling from huge basketball powerhouses.

[Hoosier987 1,945]

4 minutes ago, hoosiersoxfan said:

We've hired historically from Army, Oklahoma, Marquette, Dayton, an NBA assistant, and our own assistant.  It's not like we are pulling from huge basketball powerhouses.

As bad as Archie was…I really think people are quick to forget that CAM was the hottest young coach on the market. Seemingly every off season a new high major would come calling for him. Unfortunately, as is the case with some coaches in a lesser league…it didn’t work out. Kelvin was a top coach at OU, and Crean (albeit maybe not the top) was still a well-known coach. In the NIL era…we can and will pull. We are a sought out job 

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1 minute ago, ronzo4IU said:

Tks for the rundown, but I disagree with the part about “the coach at Indiana needs to be a salesman/politician”.  That’s way overblown imo.  What we need is a coach who knows basketball and can infuse enthusiasm based on substance…no more bulls#%# snake oil used car salesman crap.

exactly. just be able to talk ball. 

[SlammySammy 768]

Cliff Notes from Today

• Stevens is coming
• Stevens is NOT coming
• McCollum is coming
• McCollum sucks because he is D2
• D2 players could not start in D1
• Brownell's family members on this board continue to push him..>Everyone else, says NO
• Confusion and Chaos Reigns

[HoosierTrav 8,153]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Best hire since knight? Wow.

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I know that’s hard for a non-ball knower to grasp…. But yes..

and I say that jokingly btw.

[AZ Hoosier 9,626]

Just now, SlammySammy said:

Cliff Notes from Today

• Stevens is coming
• Stevens is NOT coming
• McCollum is coming
• McCollum sucks because he is D2
• D2 players could not start in D1
• Brownell's family members on this board continue to push him..>Everyone else, says NO
• Confusion and Chaos Reigns

Appreciate the update... even if it's a pretty bleak outlook... gotta trust Dolson... but keep the pitchforks handy...

[Rusty Shackleford 230]

1 minute ago, ronzo4IU said:

Tks for the rundown, but I disagree with the part about “the coach at Indiana needs to be a salesman/politician”.  That’s way overblown imo.  What we need is a coach who knows basketball and can infuse enthusiasm based on substance…no more bulls#%# snake oil used car salesman crap.

I think it's less snake oil used car salesman and more the ability to interact with and keep happy a lot of different groups of people (administration, donors/boosters, AAU & HS coaches, player's handlers, grassroots fans, etc.) That's required at an IU level job much more than at lower levels. The IU job done well can make the coach the face of the state, not just the basketball team. So, I think that's what he was saying by sales/politician. 

[SlammySammy 768]

Just now, HoosierTrav said:

I know that’s hard for a non-ball knower to grasp…. But yes..

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 10,437]

3 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Cliff Notes from Today

• Stevens is coming
• Stevens is NOT coming
• McCollum is coming
• McCollum sucks because he is D2
• D2 players could not start in D1
• Brownell's family members on this board continue to push him..>Everyone else, says NO
• Confusion and Chaos Reigns

** you aren't allowed to discss basketball/coaching candidates on sports message boards

[Ghost of Rick Majerus 1,580]

3 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Cliff Notes from Today

• Stevens is coming
• Stevens is NOT coming
• McCollum is coming
• McCollum sucks because he is D2
• D2 players could not start in D1
• Brownell's family members on this board continue to push him..>Everyone else, says NO
• Confusion and Chaos Reigns

All smokescreens for Turgeon 

[Home Jersey 12,856]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Big difference. I know a coach who has been on The Staff’s of both mid major and high major….theres a big difference in talent. Just because someone is good at the mid major level is far from a guarantee that it would translate to high major.

When Tobin Anderson beat Purdue with FDU in the tournament, a lot of the players on that team came with him from St Thomas Aquinas in D2. I think it’s fairly universally accepted that the major difference between high level D2 and power conference basketball is the big men. Guards can go at each other, lower level big men can’t really hold their own. That was one game, FDU was 21-16 that year and Anderson isn’t doing well at Iona. Guess you could say that may be the worst case scenario of a McCollum hire. But he’s light years better as a coach than Anderson. IMO the talent difference is not as much of a factor as competing against other big programs in recruiting. He’s got a long track record of identifying talent for his system. Nothing is guaranteed though.

[SlammySammy 768]

Just stopped in to see what condition my condition was in......

[Hornsby 3,442]

As bad as Archie was…I really think people are quick to forget that CAM was the hottest young coach on the market. Seemingly every off season a new high major would come calling for him. Unfortunately, as is the case with some coaches in a lesser league…it didn’t work out. Kelvin was a top coach at OU, and Crean (albeit maybe not the top) was still a well-known coach. In the NIL era…we can and will pull. We are a sought out job 

Some of us haven't forgotten. Wes Miller was also the hottest thing around four years. This year the name is mccollum or at least today it is

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6 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Cliff Notes from Today

• Stevens is coming
• Stevens is NOT coming
• McCollum is coming
• McCollum sucks because he is D2
• D2 players could not start in D1
• Brownell's family members on this board continue to push him..>Everyone else, says NO
• Confusion and Chaos Reigns

summed up well, lol

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 1,184]

32 minutes ago, Tony! Toni! Toné! said:

 

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Just caught on on the thread for the day in detail and the main takeaway is:

 

The group has really stepped up on the gifs. Be proud of yourselves, folks. 

[Home Jersey 12,856]

16 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Me watching this board go at it after pushing the Ben McCollum narrative all these years haha. 

People thinking McCollum is just the flavor of the month must have been unaware of him before this year. He has been highly respected in the basketball world for years. 

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18 minutes ago, JustWinBaby said:

Already been a week since this banger. lol.

Just to add a banger or 2 of my own