General Coach Candidate News

[Pagoda]

2 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

Honest question to the group:

who fits the bill of:

- will run to the portal not from it

-create a culture that is uniquely Indiana basketball

share names that fit the criteria Scott shared

Brad Stevens

;-)

[Golfman25]

12 hours ago, Mike Rodick said:

Agree about EVH,he was a demon on the guitar...also agreed on wanting a "right now" kinda coach,I'm getting along in years too and would love to see a few good seasons of IU basketball with my Grandsons before they plant me in my forever hole in the dirt...are there any VH tribute bands that do Roth and Hagar VH tributes?

Yes.  I think they call themselves Best of both Worlds.  They have a Roth guy and a Hagar guy.  Search them on youtube.  

[Hoosier987]

13 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Show me all of these power conference coaches leaving their current jobs for other power conference jobs. Did these blue bloods hire major conference coaches.

Duke No

UNC No

UK No

UL No

Syracuse No

Villinova No

I think the chances to get a Drew or a TJO is very slim. I rather take a chance on McCollum over Beard

 

Those schools situations are different. UK, UNC, Duke all hired former successful players. Syracuse and Villanova hired coaches that were hand picked to be the next coach from their legendary predecessor coaches where they were loyal assistants to them. McCollum isn’t a former player of Indiana nor was or will he be hand picked by Bob Knight (RIP).

UL hired Pat Kelcey who was a gamble. So far so good…but Kelcey had far more experience at D1 than McCollum. 

[Hoosier987]

9 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

I agree but I think it’s about a couple things: 1. You have to hire the right assistants to fill in the voids of your weaknesses… 2. You have to be a great X’s and O’s guy and also great at making in game adjustments… 3. you and a couple people on your staff need to be great recruiters….4. You have to push for IU to hire a GM because it’s really needed in this day and age and it needs to be a homerun hire 

Yes. We can do all that with a more viable candidate.

[westgym]

1 hour ago, Asha’man said:

NIL just means players can get paid. Forget how it’s was supposed to be. That’s not the reality. The reality is it’s lay for play. This is minor league basketball now. The collective’s are the boosters who pay the players. So it’s all above board now, which gives IU an advantage since they have the funds but wouldn’t use them under the previous system. And there is nothing wrong with pay for play. The old system was actually illegal and was deemed so in court. 

Not so much that it’s “all above board now”, but that it’s not being policed/regulated.  Under the coming revenue sharing model and the 20.5M cap, NIL collectives will be more closely monitored to be certain players are “earning” their NIL so as to not to work around the cap.  It will put a damper on some of the monies by collectives that have been funneled to players as pay for play.

[PartyintheVillas]

28 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I wonder what Iowa fans thought when they hired Todd Licklighter or IU fans when they hired Archie Miller (I know how I felt)

Or Illinois fans when they hired John Groce

Or Minnesota fans when they hired Dan Monson. 

I could go on…there are many more examples of coaches failing to make the jump to high major.…and all those coaches had FAR more experience in division 1 than McCollum. D2 to Indiana in 1 year is a crazy jump. The point is, it’s a gamble…a gamble that is not necessary this go around. We don’t need to hire McCollum when there’s more viable candidates with far more experience. 

There are far more failures than successes so many more so it's easier to anecdotally point out the successes. If we're using data in this way, a mid major hire would be extremely risky. You have to 100% know, without a doubt, it's a winning bet. 

[Hoosier987]

2 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

There are far more failures than successes so many more so it's easier to anecdotally point out the successes. If we're using data in this way, a mid major hire would be extremely risky. You have to 100% know, without a doubt, it's a winning bet. 

Exactly 

[PartyintheVillas]

20 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

How many of those guys had accomplished what McCollum has done. I don't care what division you are coaching, winning 4 championships is great. If you are a winner you can win anywhere 

 

 

Then why haven't more championship High School, NAIA, D3, and D2 coaches gone on to win more D1 championships?

[Golfman25]

11 hours ago, Eagle’s Rug said:

Regarding #4,  Eddies great and certainly recognizable, won’t argue his status in the top 5.  

But these guys are just as recognizable off the top of my head.  That’s an easy 10:

Jerry Garcia

Stevie Ray Vaughn

Slowhand

Duane Allman

Trey Anastasio

Jimi Hendrix

Kirk Hammett

Angus Young

Billy Gibbons

David Gilmour

 

All this list, plus the additions, proves is that we grew up in an awesome generation of music.  The young kids are missing out.  
 

Oh, and even Angus says he was the second best guitarist in AC/DC.  Malcom was the boss

[Ryno6284]

1 hour ago, TadQueasy said:

My apologizes Mr. EyeDoc.  At least one sane guy around here. :-)

Maybe someone needs a visit to the eye doc?

[jimsorgi]

11 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I've been trying to talk myself into supporting Will Wade as an option.  The fact that he paid (or at least tried to pay) players gave him a sleaze factor that I haven't been able to shake.  Wade definitely can coach, and he has the personality to succeed at IU. 

Looking back, a lot of the major schools were cheating in some capacity.  Adidas was paying players to attend Kansas and Louisville.  Nike was paying players to attend Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina.  Pitino, Self, Calipari, Williams, and Coach K may have insulated themselves from those conversations, but I will never believe that they weren't aware.   

As a society, most of us believe people should get second chances.  Knight brought in some assistants that needed second chances.  IU gave Sampson a second chance and that bit us in the rear.  Sampson's third act is going well.

My guess is that Wade would win big at IU.  His show cause penalty ends June 21, 2025.  Would IU consider hiring Wade when his season ends and suspending him until that date?  I doubt it, but Wade will get another P5 job somewhere.  Probably ASU.  

Wade will get a job but very likely not until next year. No one wants to assume the show cause penalties. 

[PartyintheVillas]

16 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

OSU football won a championship with a D2 coach who never was a HC in D1

So we have only 1 data point, and in a different sport in a different era? That's not great evidence. I fact, that's pretty terrible evidence.

[jimsorgi]

2 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Then why haven't more championship High School, NAIA, D3, and D2 coaches gone on to win more D1 championships?

There are no D2 coaches who have been as successful as McCollum. 

[PartyintheVillas]

1 minute ago, jimsorgi said:

There are no D2 coaches who have been as successful as McCollum. 

That's still not evidence of reduced risk. It's a single, anecdotal point of data.

[Stuhoo]

13 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

Honest question to the group:

who fits the bill of:

- will run to the portal not from it

-create a culture that is uniquely Indiana basketball

share names that fit the criteria Scott shared

I’m less concerned with “run to the portal.” Some coaches that haven’t needed to do that previously would and could do that at IU.

I found it fascinating that we are looking at a guy who can create a culture, and who has supreme self-confidence.

To me? That makes Collins, Drew, Devries less likely, and makes Wade and McCollum more likely than one might have thought.

[Hoosier987]

Listen…with regard to McCollum…if you have your first 8-9 coaching candidates say no (which won’t happen) then call him…but he shouldn’t be on anyone’s top 5

[jimsorgi]

1 minute ago, PartyintheVillas said:

That's still not evidence of reduced risk. It's a single, anecdotal point of data.

I agree. There just isn't much precedent either way. How that translates is certainly a risk. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

8 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

What about Beard would be uniquely Indiana? The man has never lived here or coached in Indiana. He's built the same culture at Texas Tech, Texas, and Ole Miss.

There isn’t a “uniquely Indiana” culture. The Indiana culture was really just Bob Knight culture. The past 25 years have shown that IU is just another school without Knight. So, if you want to bring back that culture, bring back a coach with a Bob Knight mentality.

Not saying that’s the perfect move to make, but that’s Beard. 

[BehindTheBench]

1 hour ago, hoosierssf457 said:

Does Woody receive a framed jersey tonight, too? 

Hung upside down in the frame?

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I didn't think collectives were allowed to talk to recruits until the player signs with your team.

There are no rules.  Technically they aren’t supposed to be linked at all.  Remember it’s supposed to be a marketing deal, not pay for play.