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[Stuhoo 89,308]

Just now, OKHOOSIER said:

Not gonna lie it even spun me out at first, but I dont even remember what city I am in at this point of my "work week" but I really hope people wake up, see your ninja edit to fix the font tomorrow and think I time traveled backwards to somehow respond before you posted this. 

Damn, not only are you 100% on point, that’s about as funny as it can possibly get.

[Stuhoo 89,308]

8 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Come on Stu.  Love the debate (even though I only have 125 posts), but winning at a basketball factory like Montverde, where the best of the best are funneled to your program every year is not the same as creating a dynasty using players rejected by 360+ D1 programs.

The guy is a tremendous coach, and elite coaching translates across levels.  Bob Knight was not hired away from UCLA, Texas, or Alabama.  He came from Army.

Okay… hyperbole aside?

McCollum has been absolutely dominant in D2 and has had an excellent 2/3 of a year in the MAC, but that doesn’t remotely address the GM duties, personality juggling (and that includes boosters, agents, fans, media, and the BOT), and quality of opposition coaches he’d deal with in the B1G.

I see the attraction, but a guy like Buzz Williams is a zillion times better choice for me.

[Demo 23,413]

14 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

You think the D2 guy is good?

I’ve got a guy for you that won multiple national championships while recruiting and coaching more than 50 NCAA Division-I scholarship athletes and more than 15 professional players including Kyrie Irving (#1 NBA pick 2011), Ben Simmons (#1 NBA pick in 2016 and NBA Rookie of the Year in 2018), Michael Kidd Gilchrest (#2 NBA pick 2012), Scottie Barnes (2022 NBA Rookie of the Year), Joel Embiid (2023 NBA Most Valuable Player) Samuel Dalembert, Cooper Flagg, Jalen Hood Schifino, and Al Harrington.

He’s won over 800 games at his level, had multiple seasons of three or less losses, frequently wins by more than 50 points, and both his teams and many of their top opponents have a higher level of talent than any team in D2 has ever had.

So are we also ready to hire Kevin Boyle away from Montverde?

You want to see a pretty insane looking D2 resume, not quite McCollum, but getting there, is a guy named Jim Crutchfield, who coaches at Nova Southeastern. In the last 4 years he’s 120-5 with an elite 8, a Natty, a NC runner up(lost on a buzzer 3} and currently the #1 ranked D2 in the country. Difference from McCollum is he’s probably early 60’s. Apparently he’s a 40 mins of hell guy. They just pressure teams into submission. 

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

There’s also the option of not getting offended when someone does not insult you, but disagrees with your opinion.

On the other hand, you criticizing @5fouls post count is a personal attack, so cut that crap out.

Stuhoo, I respect you and your post.  I’m am not trying to get into any argument over who our next coach will be.  I have said several times, if Dolson decides to hire Beard I will support it, I wasn’t criticizing him or least that wasn’t my intention.  But that goes all ways on this board.

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild 777]

1 hour ago, 5fouls said:

I would rather win playing at a deliberate pace than play exciting basketball and not win.  

But do you think P4 players are going to want to play that style? I guess money does talk lol 

[5fouls 230]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay… hyperbole aside?

McCollum has been dominant in D2 and has had an excellent 2/3 of a year in the MAC, but that doesn’t remotely address the GM duties, personality juggling, and quality of opposition coaches he’d deal with in the B1G.

I see the attraction, but a guy like Buzz Williams is a zillion times better choice for me.

Fair enough.  But, for the love of everything good about Toy Story, I really don't think hiring Buzz to replace Woody is a good idea. 

[OKHOOSIER 5,890]

6 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m intrigued because the guy is a winner. What he did in D2 is awesome and what he has done this year is as well. 
my issues are style of play and it not being fun to watch nor play in. If he won 30 game a year at IU I would overlook the paint drying. My fear beyond me being bored is that top talent would not want to play that way. I think if we are all being honest, he would need to land top 3, 4 and 5 star talent to succeed at this level and I just don’t see it. If I’m a blue chip talent I don’t want to do THAT

I think this nails my biggest concern beyond the style which is whether kids with high major talent/NBA aspirations would want to play in it. It is one thing to run a system well in D1 with D2 talent, but as Stu has said repeatedly, this is against the little sisters of the poor. I am not convinced it translates against better athletes unless you can convince top end athletes to commit to it. So he either has to speed it up, or hope the system overcomes the talent or athletic disparity a la Bennet. 

[Stuhoo 89,308]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Stuhoo, I respect you and your post.  I’m am not trying to get into any argument over who our next coach will be.  I have said several times, if Dolson decides to hire Beard I will support it, I wasn’t criticizing him or least that wasn’t my intention.  But that goes all ways on this board.

All good and appreciate the kind words.

However, this thread is specifically here to allow people to argue over the next coach will be! So if you play in this sandbox, that’s what you should expect.

[Stuhoo 89,308]

9 hours ago, 5fouls said:

Fair enough.  But, for the love of everything good about Toy Story, I really don't think hiring Buzz to replace Woody is a good idea. 

But then we could win "to infinity and beyond."

[tyappleg 8,008]

This is going to be a long month and a half.  I don't know if I can handle the exact same back and forth on the same 5 guys for that long. Lol.

But we gotta hit at least 1000 pages on this bad boy, so keep it up. 

[Muskie plays the four 726]

2 hours ago, 12345Brad said:

What else is there about Beard besides what happened while at Texas?  Others have alluded to it and say there are other skeletons in the closet.  I’m not doubting it, but genuinely curious. 

He was infamous in San Angelo well before Texas.  Beard liked to party really party to the point that it was  known around town that he was a mess. 

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild 777]

1 hour ago, IU Prof said:

Lord only knows how many times are we going to have to debate Beard's DV arrest over the next 5 weeks...

I just feel bad for the Mods. They’ve literally said at least 3-4 times minimum to stop talking about Beards DV etc yet people just don’t listen. That has to be frustrating honestly. 

[5fouls 230]

2 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

But do you think P4 players are going to want to play that style? I guess money does talk lol 

I think there is a segment of recruits that will look elsewhere.  But there is also a group of players that would jump at the chance to be coached and play for a team that wins 90 plus percent of the time.

[MikeRoberts 7,993]

51 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Part of that could be the coach game-planning what needs to be done to win the game (novel concept).  If he had a team that was more adept at playing a faster pace, he might very well do that.

Winning is the #1 priority.  Right?

It’s his style, period. It’s not a personal issue. He has always played at a snails pace. He wins, I googled him, but his style is not appealing to fans and I imagine it wouldn’t be for top ranked players 

[Hovadipo 61,411]

4 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

I just feel bad for the Mods. They’ve literally said at least 3-4 times minimum to stop talking about Beards DV etc yet people just don’t listen. That has to be frustrating honestly. 

In fairness to everyone, it really only got heated one time. That flamed out and we’re all good. Has it been debated ad nauseum? Sure. But if it eventually takes over all conversation and needs its own thread over the next 6 weeks (like the Fire Mike Woodson thread needed for almost 2 whole years) we’ll move the discussion and let everyone have at it. 

[OKHOOSIER 5,890]

7 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

I think there is a segment of recruits that will look elsewhere.  But there is also a group of players that would jump at the chance to be coached and play for a team that wins 90 plus percent of the time.

Plus we have verifiable data that you offer enough money they will come and play in a system that makes no sense for their skill sets lol. I realized after responding to @MikeRobertsabout this that we literally convinced high usage downhill guards to come play at place that plants two bigs in the paint all the time. 

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild 777]

15 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

In fairness to everyone, it really only got heated one time. That flamed out and we’re all good. Has it been debated ad nauseum? Sure. But if it eventually takes over all conversation and needs its own thread over the next 6 weeks (like the Fire Mike Woodson thread needed for almost 2 whole years) we’ll move the discussion and let everyone have at it. 

I just thought I remember seeing one of the mods say to completely stop talking about DV and that for sure hasn’t stopped regardless of heated or not. By now everyone knows Beards background. I just think other things can be discussed instead of debating whether a guy should or shouldn’t be hired for 10 straight days when it’s not even about basketball. 

[Capt. Crimson 3,983]

He would have to dominate for that to be widely accepted. If you aren’t winning big and you are putting up 50 points a game that would be painful to watch

Someone once described Archie’s team to me as “it’s like Virginia basketball except you don’t win at the end” lol


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1 hour ago, Demo said:

You want to see a pretty insane looking D2 resume, not quite McCollum, but getting there, is a guy named Jim Crutchfield, who coaches at Nova Southeastern. In the last 4 years he’s 120-5 with an elite 8, a Natty, a NC runner up(lost on a buzzer 3} and currently the #1 ranked D2 in the country. Difference from McCollum is he’s probably early 60’s. Apparently he’s a 40 mins of hell guy. They just pressure teams into submission. 

Check out his record before that at West Liberty. Crutch can coach- a former player of his is a good friend of mine. I know you weren’t seriously suggesting him as a candidate, but Hoosier fans would hate him-

line change subs. He’s also pushing 70. 

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Edited February 10 by OliviaPope40