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1 minute ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

If they don't make the move this year it's going to be ugly next year. Half empty Assembly Hall, low ratings...I've watched only a few games this year. Would probably by 0 next year. 

That's you, man. I can just tell you IU looks at this in longer terms than you. I can tell you most would agree here that in most industries "rushing" or "forcing" it w regards to employment is generally a bad practice. Which is the "correct" approach to this situation? Idk, I just know they make cars different colors.

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IF Archie is back, it will be the first season since I started watching- in the early '80s- that I won't watch and I don't think I'll be alone. I realize my "fandom" only affects me, but the fact I am contemplating this is like a part of my life dying- that may sound over the top; but I'm sure many lifelong fans on this board can relate to a degree.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk...

[HoosierFan1994 4,722]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Archie coming back is a legitimate possibility then I’m going to need a real bad loss on Thursday. Anything to try to keep the administration from getting cold feet. This season is over anyway. 

What has he even done to warrant another season other than the crappy contract Freddie handed out to him. 

• He's missed the tournament in the three years they've had it in his tenure (would've been a 10/11 seed last year with a first round exit)
• He's 0-7 vs. Purdue..that itself should get a coach fired. 
• He has a losing record against Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan...add Purdue that's almost 1/3 of the league. 
• I think he's lost all momentum recruiting this state like Crean did. The top three recruits in the 2021 class are going to rival Big Ten Schools. 
• Most importantly it's been the same thing over and over again. Crappy offense, inability to close games out...his teams get worse as the season goes on. 

Archie Miller is a great guy. I hate it that it hasn't worked out at Indiana. In 2017 he was on my second tier list of coaches. I thought he could be the guy. He's not. It's time to move on. Bringing him back is a slap in the face to anyone that spends their time, money, and energy on this program. 

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9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Archie coming back is a legitimate possibility then I’m going to need a real bad loss on Thursday. Anything to try to keep the administration from getting cold feet. This season is over anyway. 

I’m fully confident Rutgers is pulling off a clean sweep on Thursday. 

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9 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

What has he even done to warrant another season other than the crappy contract Freddie handed out to him. 

• He's missed the tournament in the three years they've had it in his tenure (would've been a 10/11 seed last year with a first round exit)
• He's 0-7 vs. Purdue..that itself should get a coach fired. 
• He has a losing record against Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan...add Purdue that's almost 1/3 of the league. 
• I think he's lost all momentum recruiting this state like Crean did. The top three recruits in the 2021 class are going to rival Big Ten Schools. 
• Most importantly it's been the same thing over and over again. Crappy offense, inability to close games out...his teams get worse as the season goes on. 

Archie Miller is a great guy. I hate it that it hasn't worked out at Indiana. In 2017 he was on my second tier list of coaches. I thought he could be the guy. He's not. It's time to move on. Bringing him back is a slap in the face to anyone that spends their time, money, and energy on this program. 

He’s done absolutely nothing to deserve a fifth season. He’s completely failed at his job. If IU brings him back then they aren’t serious about the basketball program. Bottom line. It’s abundantly clear that he isn’t the right guy for the job. There’s no reason to believe year five will be any better. If he’s back then the fans will respond accordingly.

 

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17 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

That's you, man. I can just tell you IU looks at this in longer terms than you. I can tell you most would agree here that in most industries "rushing" or "forcing" it w regards to employment is generally a bad practice. Which is the "correct" approach to this situation? Idk, I just know they make cars different colors.

Rushing what? He's had four years. The only reason they would bring him backs is because of the buyout. He's done nothing to warrant a 5th year. It's just pathetic and sad that this is what Indiana Basketball has become. Not dogging on you, I appreciate the info you share. We all love IU basketball. It's just the fans are sick of this crap. I'm sure you are too. The first team I really followed was the 2001-2002 team that went to the title game. I remember watching Bob Knight/IU games at my grandparents house. It was such a big deal then. I've never really seen this program take off like it did in the 70's, 80's, 90's. I got a small taste in 2012/2013.

Tickets to an IU game are expensive. Merchandise is expensive. Cable TV to watch IU games is expensive. A lot of people spend their hard earned money on this program. I think that's about to stop. The COVID pandemic taught all of us we can find entertainment other than sports. Bringing Archie back another year just shows that they don't care about the basketball program. I'm sorry, if you're the "state school" "top basketball school in the state" you don't miss the tournament when it's in your home state yet alone on your home court. You don't lose 9 in a row to freaking Purdue. You don't miss the tournament essentially 3/3 years that they've had it. 

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4 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Rushing what? He's had four years. The only reason they would bring him backs is because of the buyout. He's done nothing to warrant a 5th year. It's just pathetic and sad that this is what Indiana Basketball has become. Not dogging on you, I appreciate the info you share. We all love IU basketball. It's just the fans are sick of this crap. Tickets to an IU game are expensive. Merchandise is expensive. Cable TV to watch IU games is expensive. A lot of people spend their hard earned money on this program. I think that's about to stop. The COVID pandemic taught all of us we can find entertainment other than sports. Bringing Archie back another year just shows that they don't care about the basketball program. I'm sorry, if you're the "state school" "top basketball school in the state" you don't miss the tournament when it's in your home state yet alone on your home court. You don't lose 9 in a row to freaking Purdue. You don't miss the tournament essentially 3/3 years that they've had it. 

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

[HoosierFan1994 4,722]

1 minute ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

Absolutely not. I just find it hard to believe that right now Indiana can't find a good basketball coach who has won at the P5 level for their program. 

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1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm gonna start the Steve Fisher talk. A proven B1G winner! He's only 75. Got at least 3-4 good years left. 

Before he dies?

[Hoosierfan2017 20,931]

6 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

We’ve made four NCAA tournaments in the past 13 years and we’ve made it past the sweet 16 once in my lifetime. We’re closing in on the 20th anniversary of our last elite eight appearance. At some point it stops being the ‘current direction’ of the program and instead just becomes the program itself. I don’t see the job being much more attractive a year from now than it is right now. If we can’t get a good coach to come here this year then the program is in trouble.

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4 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

You can try to explain but it’s not going to do anything.   People are mad and anything short of him gone isn’t going to be good enough for most the fans here.   Personally like you I think it’s pretty simple.  If Dolson feels he has a candidate lined up and he has his guy then a change will be made.   If he doesn’t have his long term guy lined up he is going to let the process play out and do what he feels is the right move.   Fans can say they won’t be back if he is back and won’t go to games if he is coach but an Athletic Director in his first year has to make the long play on what he feels is that right move.    Fans not showing up to me would be in the category of I will believe when I see it.   Dolson didn’t make this mess but he is the guy that has to clean it up.   I have no doubt he is going to make the decision that he feels will be the best for IU moving forward.   The only problem with giving him another year if he doesn’t have his guy lined up is what happens if he wins the B1G or makes a run in next year tourney?  I don’t think you could give him a full multi year extension based off 1 year compared to 4 but for recruiting purposes you would have to do something.    Glad it’s not my decision.  Either way is going to have big risks 

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve made four NCAA tournaments in the past 13 years and we’ve made it past the sweet 16 once in my lifetime. We’re closing in on the 20th anniversary of our last elite eight appearance. At some point it stops being the ‘current direction’ of the program and instead just becomes the program itself. I don’t see the job being much more attractive a year from now than it is right now. If we can’t get a good coach to come here this year then the program is in trouble.

Program has been in trouble.   A coach is no longer coming here to maintain excellence, a coach is being brought in to rebuild a brand and a winning program 

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16 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

There is no reason not to replace him. There is never a guarantee that the decision being made is the right one and another year doesn’t change that.

that’s it, there are multiple coaches that if given the chance would succeed here. Keeping someone we know isn’t going to work sets us back further than most can imagine.

we’re losing the best parts of IU basketball everyday and that is the passion

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Financially I get it but that's where it stops. Next year's candidates project to be the same if not worse. More opportunities will become available after the dreaded covid season. This is arguably the most opportune time to strike. **** the $. Sometimes it takes big balls to carry a big ****.

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Financially I get it but that's where it stops. Next year's candidates project to be the same if not worse. More opportunities will become available after the dreaded covid season. This is arguably the most opportune time to strike. **** the $. Sometimes it takes big balls to carry a big ****.

 

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Plus we have to wait till late April to fire him to Drop buyout! Luckily I think some of these guys are off and we definitely fire him this season

 

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10 hours ago, Irish YJ said:

I disagree. Crean has 3 Sweet 16s and a final four. Archie had one good run in 13/14. 

Crean, after rebuilding the first three years at IU, went to the sweet 16, 3 of 6 years, and won the conference twice. Archie has yet to place top 5 in the Big10, and hasn't made the dance. 

That said, I wasn't a big fan of Crean, but he was noticeably better than Archie.

I would expect Crean to have more accolades.  He’s been coaching over twice as long. Also, Archie made a deep run in the tourney without riding the back of one of the NBAs greatest players of all time. He won the A10 his last two years being A10 coach of the year in the final.

That Syracuse loss still stings when you have one of the best teams in IU history. How’s Georgia going?  I said neither stands out because both are proving to be average coaches at this point. 

Don’t get me wrong though, what’s went on the past four years here is baffling.

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Program has been in trouble.   A coach is no longer coming here to maintain excellence, a coach is being brought in to rebuild a brand and a winning program 

And on top of all of that, they are being brought in with “be careful with discipline” type attitude. If that makes sense. All since RMK. I hope I’m wrong but I think this program is in trouble and has been for quite sometime. And we’ve all been too delusional, including myself to really see it. Might be why we haven’t been able to hit a home run with a hire?


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8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

There is no reason not to replace him. There is never a guarantee that the decision being made is the right one and another year doesn’t change that.

that’s it, there are multiple coaches that if given the chance would succeed here. Keeping someone we know isn’t going to work sets us back further than most can imagine.

we’re losing the best parts of IU basketball everyday and that is the passion

 

8 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve made four NCAA tournaments in the past 13 years and we’ve made it past the sweet 16 once in my lifetime. We’re closing in on the 20th anniversary of our last elite eight appearance. At some point it stops being the ‘current direction’ of the program and instead just becomes the program itself. I don’t see the job being much more attractive a year from now than it is right now. If we can’t get a good coach to come here this year then the program is in trouble.

You both think Archie isn't the answer and needs to go. I'm saying I get that. What you both fail to acknowledge is who you're bringing in to replace him and the realities of that move. I think this is the fork in the road where the reality and the fanatical splits.

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8 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Absolutely not. I just find it hard to believe that right now Indiana can't find a good basketball coach who has won at the P5 level for their program. 

Well Indiana hired a mid-major guy four years ago. The landscape hasn't change, we still have the same name and history -- Indiana. What's going to make this time around any different any hire? 

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Well Indiana hired a mid-major guy four years ago. The landscape hasn't change, we still have the same name and history -- Indiana. What's going to make this time around any different any hire? 

A better coach. Archie sucks flat out plain and simple.

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