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I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

 

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

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I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

 

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

I don't live in Indiana... I don't live in the "fishbowl" I hear about all the time. I know more people on the east coast. Maybe IU basketball doesn't sell on national radio talk but I can tell you it does where it matters which is in basketball circles

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2 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

 

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

Hire Matta or Beilein as head coach. Keep Kenya Hunter as an assistant since I don’t think he’s been at IU long enough to make a real impact. Then bring Michael Lewis, Calbert, or Fife in as the head coach in waiting/associate head coach. 

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I would be happy with Beilein/Fife, but I Don’t see Dane wanting to wait any longer. He’s probably already been told Izzo won’t be coaching much longer.


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9 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

Those two paragraphs seem to contradict themselves. Installing the mentor/pupil system this year would work better than waiting another year or even this offseason and having those elder statesmen go somewhere else..you know cuz they're on 'borrowed time'. Those that know, know that the $10.5 mil will end up much less than that between the extended payout and the likelihood Archie gets a comparable coaching job in that time. With the unfortunate timing of this, is the impending exit of President Dundee still an issue; i.e. having a say in whether Archie is fired and having input on the new hire (financials or otherwise)? 

P.S. I'm on the east coast. I wish I knew some of those east coast folk you knew...

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17 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

 

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

Maybe it could be a situation where they can have the right guy already picked out -- Say Mack.  So it's a fire and hire, no interm search.  Otherwise, stick with Archie, until you can line the next guy up next year?  

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26 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

 

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

If they don't make the move this year it's going to be ugly next year. Half empty Assembly Hall, low ratings...I've watched only a few games this year. Would probably by 0 next year. 

Sad thing is...they might actually be better next year and only because of improved guard play and frontcourt depth. If Parker Stewart is as good as people think he is and if Armaan makes another jump that will be the best backcourt in years here. Brunk and Duncomb with Race would be a good frontcourt. Thing is I have zero faith in this coach. 

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6 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Those two paragraphs seem to contradict themselves. Installing the mentor/pupil system this year would work better than waiting another year or even this offseason and having those elder statesmen go somewhere else..you know cuz they're on 'borrowed time'. Those that know, know that the $10.5 mil will end up much less than that between the extended payout and the likelihood Archie gets a comparable coaching job in that time. With the unfortunate timing of this, is the impending exit of President Dundee still an issue; i.e. having a say in whether Archie is fired and having input on the new hire (financials or otherwise)? 

P.S. I'm on the east coast. I wish I knew some of those east coast folk you knew...

They were different perspectives? Mix of ideally/realistic? I think I said something of the sort...

 

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1 minute ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

If they don't make the move this year it's going to be ugly next year. Half empty Assembly Hall, low ratings...I've watched only a few games this year. Would probably by 0 next year. 

That's you, man. I can just tell you IU looks at this in longer terms than you. I can tell you most would agree here that in most industries "rushing" or "forcing" it w regards to employment is generally a bad practice. Which is the "correct" approach to this situation? Idk, I just know they make cars different colors.

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IF Archie is back, it will be the first season since I started watching- in the early '80s- that I won't watch and I don't think I'll be alone. I realize my "fandom" only affects me, but the fact I am contemplating this is like a part of my life dying- that may sound over the top; but I'm sure many lifelong fans on this board can relate to a degree.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk...

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If Archie coming back is a legitimate possibility then I’m going to need a real bad loss on Thursday. Anything to try to keep the administration from getting cold feet. This season is over anyway. 

What has he even done to warrant another season other than the crappy contract Freddie handed out to him. 

  • He's missed the tournament in the three years they've had it in his tenure (would've been a 10/11 seed last year with a first round exit)
  • He's 0-7 vs. Purdue..that itself should get a coach fired. 
  • He has a losing record against Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan...add Purdue that's almost 1/3 of the league. 
  • I think he's lost all momentum recruiting this state like Crean did. The top three recruits in the 2021 class are going to rival Big Ten Schools. 
  • Most importantly it's been the same thing over and over again. Crappy offense, inability to close games out...his teams get worse as the season goes on. 

Archie Miller is a great guy. I hate it that it hasn't worked out at Indiana. In 2017 he was on my second tier list of coaches. I thought he could be the guy. He's not. It's time to move on. Bringing him back is a slap in the face to anyone that spends their time, money, and energy on this program. 

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9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Archie coming back is a legitimate possibility then I’m going to need a real bad loss on Thursday. Anything to try to keep the administration from getting cold feet. This season is over anyway. 

I’m fully confident Rutgers is pulling off a clean sweep on Thursday. 

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9 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

What has he even done to warrant another season other than the crappy contract Freddie handed out to him. 

  • He's missed the tournament in the three years they've had it in his tenure (would've been a 10/11 seed last year with a first round exit)
  • He's 0-7 vs. Purdue..that itself should get a coach fired. 
  • He has a losing record against Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan...add Purdue that's almost 1/3 of the league. 
  • I think he's lost all momentum recruiting this state like Crean did. The top three recruits in the 2021 class are going to rival Big Ten Schools. 
  • Most importantly it's been the same thing over and over again. Crappy offense, inability to close games out...his teams get worse as the season goes on. 

Archie Miller is a great guy. I hate it that it hasn't worked out at Indiana. In 2017 he was on my second tier list of coaches. I thought he could be the guy. He's not. It's time to move on. Bringing him back is a slap in the face to anyone that spends their time, money, and energy on this program. 

He’s done absolutely nothing to deserve a fifth season. He’s completely failed at his job. If IU brings him back then they aren’t serious about the basketball program. Bottom line. It’s abundantly clear that he isn’t the right guy for the job. There’s no reason to believe year five will be any better. If he’s back then the fans will respond accordingly.

 

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17 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

That's you, man. I can just tell you IU looks at this in longer terms than you. I can tell you most would agree here that in most industries "rushing" or "forcing" it w regards to employment is generally a bad practice. Which is the "correct" approach to this situation? Idk, I just know they make cars different colors.

Rushing what? He's had four years. The only reason they would bring him backs is because of the buyout. He's done nothing to warrant a 5th year. It's just pathetic and sad that this is what Indiana Basketball has become. Not dogging on you, I appreciate the info you share. We all love IU basketball. It's just the fans are sick of this crap. I'm sure you are too. The first team I really followed was the 2001-2002 team that went to the title game. I remember watching Bob Knight/IU games at my grandparents house. It was such a big deal then. I've never really seen this program take off like it did in the 70's, 80's, 90's. I got a small taste in 2012/2013.

Tickets to an IU game are expensive. Merchandise is expensive. Cable TV to watch IU games is expensive. A lot of people spend their hard earned money on this program. I think that's about to stop. The COVID pandemic taught all of us we can find entertainment other than sports. Bringing Archie back another year just shows that they don't care about the basketball program. I'm sorry, if you're the "state school" "top basketball school in the state" you don't miss the tournament when it's in your home state yet alone on your home court. You don't lose 9 in a row to freaking Purdue. You don't miss the tournament essentially 3/3 years that they've had it. 

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4 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Rushing what? He's had four years. The only reason they would bring him backs is because of the buyout. He's done nothing to warrant a 5th year. It's just pathetic and sad that this is what Indiana Basketball has become. Not dogging on you, I appreciate the info you share. We all love IU basketball. It's just the fans are sick of this crap. Tickets to an IU game are expensive. Merchandise is expensive. Cable TV to watch IU games is expensive. A lot of people spend their hard earned money on this program. I think that's about to stop. The COVID pandemic taught all of us we can find entertainment other than sports. Bringing Archie back another year just shows that they don't care about the basketball program. I'm sorry, if you're the "state school" "top basketball school in the state" you don't miss the tournament when it's in your home state yet alone on your home court. You don't lose 9 in a row to freaking Purdue. You don't miss the tournament essentially 3/3 years that they've had it. 

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

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1 minute ago, hoosierpap said:

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

Absolutely not. I just find it hard to believe that right now Indiana can't find a good basketball coach who has won at the P5 level for their program. 

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